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Flute and guitar - comments welcome Condenser Microphones
Old 28th December 2010
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Flute and guitar - comments welcome

I have done a recording of a concert. The musicians wanted to do a live CD: We decided to do a reheasal in the afternoon to have some extra material.
The concert took place in an old theatre.
I used

Two Neumann km184 0dB
Two DPA 4006 -6db

They were place ca. 2 meters from the musicians in A B position.

Two RØDE K2 on the stage for spots(-6dB).

I could probably have done the job with the 184s only.

It was recorded and edited with Sadie.

I use a little bit reverb(SIR).

What do you think?

Nygade48
Attached Files

cdmixdown-nomystery.mp3 (5.37 MB, 1203 views)

Old 28th December 2010
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Additional info

Recorded in 24/44.1

The mp3 is 128kbs

Nygade48
Old 28th December 2010
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As a part time flautist - great flute playing going on there. Guitar not too shabby either, but I'm not qualified at all there.

ITO recording? Well, I'm just getting going as well. So take it from whence it comes! Basically, sounds fine to me, as an honest record of what happened on the night. For acoustic and classical, I think that's what people often want - clean & simple recording.
The guitar seemed more present than the flute - a result of the reverb maybe? Or the venue? I would have preferred the flute more present.
I'm not sure how the live positioning relates to the track, but maybe put the flute a little more left?
If the phase issues don't bite you, you could even try bookending the guitar around the flute? Might work? I don't know if the flautist might sound asthmatic to close in! (Sometimes I know do!) Maybe worth a try. Depends on if Sadie can do the routing? Reaper does it quite nicely.

The soft, low flute passage around 3:10-15 seems to get quite lost - hear it on phones, but on monitors in a not properly quiet room, it's lost. I think it would be lost in 'normal' listening. Classical purists may shudder, but maybe a multiband compressor, and give some oomph to the bottom (~<500 Hz?) That may wreak havoc with the breathing, so it might get quite complex to run it only where required!

Those are things I'd play with, but I think the musicians should be happy - sounds pretty honest to me. Starting with talent always makes the rest much easier!

My R0.02!

Grant H
Old 1st January 2011
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Thank you and another track

Dear Grant

Thank you for your kind and detailed response.
Yes it is marvelous artists.
You are right concerning the soft places. It is not good
for all stereo players. It does not work so well on my car stereo.
I could use more of the spot mics, but then we will hear more
playing noise and we wanted also to capture the nice sounding room.
So the musicians and I have decided to let it stay like
this because the CD is not intended for "background listening".
We use only SIR reverb and Sadie's digital limiter(+3dB).
I post now another track by Ligeti.

Nygade48
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07 ata07.mp3 (1.90 MB, 83 views)

Old 1st January 2011
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Hello.

I agree with Grant: good musicians make recording easier... and good rooms too!
I also agree with his technical indications.
Please, can you indicate the reference of the first piece?
Cordially.

Dominique
Old 1st January 2011
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1. piece

It is Chick Corea: No mystery
Old 1st January 2011
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Compressing

Yes I understand. But compressing will change the dynamics.
Old 1st January 2011
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ITO Compressing

I understand the purpose of the CD, and so my comments are purely academic. I agree that compressing changes things, but if the goal was to make this music accessible to people in noisier places, then that would be required.
In one sense, it depends on who will listen to the CD. Even with buds, in a public place some of those passages will get lost. Maybe not compress then (I know classical purists hate it!), but a little management of the gain curve through the mix - like you were the house engineer, and just needed to lift a quiet passage. See if its possible to keep the basic dynamic, but so that it is audible over a little ambient noise. Might sell a few more copies of the CD!
Just a thought
Old 1st January 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nygade48 View Post
It is Chick Corea: No mystery
Many thanks.
Can you ask the musicians if it is a private arrangement or publication?

Quote:
But compressing will change the dynamics.
IMO, compression is a great tool, including in classical music, with a adapted usage, of course.
We do not have to forget that the ear is not a microphone and vice versa.
Too much dynamics in a recording can even be unpleasant!
Old 1st January 2011
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Compression

Thank you. Could you suggest some compression settings that I might try out?

Nygade48
Old 27th February 2011
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Hi! Are these two by any chance Atanas Ourkouzounov and Mie Ogura?
Old 28th February 2011
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I absolutely love the flute playing. I gotta hear more of this, it's kind of fusiony,
looooove itttt.

Do you have a slight touch of verb on the flute or is that from the room? I was thinking
a slight touch more verb would really give that chamber-ish atmosphere. I'm diggin
this :P.

As for compression, use it lightly, keep the dynamics in this, that's what's making it so
wonderful! Compress it to -2dB of GR, that's all you need on the flute, guitar sounds
fine, I wouldn't compress that at ALL.
Old 1st March 2011
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Sorry for this late answer (no time before and some issues on my computer).
Quote:
Could you suggest some compression settings that I might try out?
Settings are dependant from your compressor.
However, here are 2 examples of settings on NoMystery.
1°/ soft compression with a ratio of 1.5 in-17dB.
MoMysteryCA.mp3
2°/ a bit harder compression with a ratio of 2.7 in-12db.
MoMysteryCB.mp3
For a right evaluation of the gain, these 2 examples are normalized at -0.3dB, as the original is (that said, I find the levels too hot for a classic recording).
Let me know your impressions.
Cordially.
Dominique
Old 1st March 2011
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Nice work. Good playing as well, as others have already pointed out. It has a nice space to it on the wee speakers I'm listening on, without getting mushy.
Old 20th May 2011
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Thank You

I have been away for a while, sorry.
Thank you for the files, which I will study carefully.

Nygade48

Quote:
Originally Posted by flutist View Post
Sorry for this late answer (no time before and some issues on my computer).
Settings are dependant from your compressor.
However, here are 2 examples of settings on NoMystery.
1°/ soft compression with a ratio of 1.5 in-17dB.
Attachment 222512
2°/ a bit harder compression with a ratio of 2.7 in-12db.
Attachment 222513
For a right evaluation of the gain, these 2 examples are normalized at -0.3dB, as the original is (that said, I find the levels too hot for a classic recording).
Let me know your impressions.
Cordially.
Dominique
Old 20th May 2011
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Yes, Excactly!


Quote:
Originally Posted by urse121 View Post
Hi! Are these two by any chance Atanas Ourkouzounov and Mie Ogura?
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