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Opinions about a rock mix
Old 27th June 2005
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Opinions about a rock mix

Has been a while since I posted here. Once again comes a time where I need some fresh ears to give it a listen - how's the rock mix I'm working on? The vocals will be re-sang. I'm personally not 100% there with the kick & bass (fretless).

It's a well known (ancient ) rock group in Estonia, that hasn't released an album in 15 years. So I'm trying not to mess up here

Any comments - Thanks in advance!

-Johannes

www.dts.ee
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Tahaks jääda.mp3 (5.30 MB, 1163 views)

Old 27th June 2005
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Sounds cool. Hi-hat's really bright.
Old 27th June 2005
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did some more work on it - thanks tetness, it was a bit bright!

here's the updated version - still waiting on anyone's opinion ....
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Old 28th June 2005
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really nice project!

128kbit as you posted, is a bit too little to judge the subtle issues that might remain. so take it as a suspicion, what I tell, with somewhat little evidence
its good already, but I have 2 issues:
* the snare has very much room for its own and sounds kind of enhanced and processed, and to me it is ruling over the guitars. this is something the band must decide. there are styles like this, and styles with stronger guitars and broader snare sounds that are a tad more in the background. maybe a little volume ride with the guitars can make it keep up and more exciting.
* it sounds a bit "digital". there is much "L2" type smashing, and transients are a bit weak or dull (mp3 quality does not allow to judge correctly). not bad at all, but newly i have heard brighter and cleaner high ends in rock sound.


I like the natural sound of the kick and bass. dont lose it...
the snare is somewhat "smeared" in its high end. this could come from too much processing (or working in too low sample and bit rates), or from the mastering limiter. vocals have similar issue, maybe gear or mp3 related.
at 0:55 (as an example, maybe everytime) when the singer starts, you are switching the snare down to smaller, this is somewhat sudden and obvious.


if you have interest to improve it, you could produce a mix without the limiter, and give it to one of the high class mastering engineers (but who can top what you already have). I assume you did everything inhouse.
especially the low end, 20-60 should be taken care of a specialist. there is a lot of good "rumbling" there, but I'm not sure if it is too much. did you check it in the car and in the radio/boombox? is it ok? and maybe in the preferred clubs where the product is aimed at.

(analyzer/fft-based, I tried 2.7k a tad down (starting from >1.2k), 8k up, 10.5k down, 16k up (mp3 limit), all within +1.5/-1 db, and liked it better. eq type is meant as smoothed-out linear ramps, not parametric bell curves. the change is also a fashion issue, as it sounds already like a european major production and follows the habits, which sound a bit fatiguing to me. I took it more "vintage" but also "american" by this. vocals need to be re-adjusted then in the mix.)

these 2cent are only suspicions and ideas,
I like it, and good luck!
keep us updated. very beautiful studio btw heh
Old 28th June 2005
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Thanks NeoVXR!

Thanks a bunch for those comments, I really needed to be assured. The mix was limited and had some weird multiband compressor on - so no mastering was intended - it was just at the end of the day I made a "quick" master for myself after haveing some berrs hehe

But what bothers me still is the snare sound, if the mid high is bright enough?! I am uploading a mix without a limiter at 192Kb/s. Hope you can give it a listen and hear more things & transients come through as they are in the mix.

Also it might be a bit dull - but - it really sound nice when listening though sennheiser etc bright headphones and when a dedicated mastering engineer brings it up nicely - the only problem is the lead vocal - I have used some weird effect that the singer liked - the "esses" are terrible!!! I will definately have to tweak the voc sound, the cyllybals are killing...

The low end I am not sure - the band likes it as it is - i will leave it to the mastering to do the proper roll off. By the way it was played with a fretless bass, and i have done a lot of tube re-amplifing with a manley voxbox (also with eq). They would probably want it even louder in this mix, but that's already over the edge - the guitar are drowning already - but they seem to like this balance.

Anyway, if you can listen once again through just the "mix" and see what comments you have I would greatly appreciate it and probably have to buy you (NeoVXR) a beer

Thanks a bunch

-Johannes
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Old 29th June 2005
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have U checked your PM?

yeah this one doesnt have the limiter artefacts.
still there is something I would describe as a bit "white smoke" (which is not unusual and actually used on the stage also heh but can make it dull) and ths limiter made it worse.
but as I see now the compression and limiting is part of the product, you can give the mastering engineer the limited versions also, to explain the feel.

there is some "in the box" problem, could be the reverbs, they also contribute to the smoke. not all bad, but you could experiment, maybe some predelay, or less density. this could improve the snare, so don't change it too much, you might lose style.

you can deess the vocals a bit. careful, it makes some style the way it is.
know the wraith aliens from the atlantis tv show? if they would sing...
(but hey this is a compliment!)

for the clarity you could try a very soft transient designer or going expander mode with the linMB, for the 2 HF bands.

but get also other opinions!!

I would like the album heh
Old 6th July 2005
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http://members.chello.at/hmp_web/joho.mp3 (file will be kept ~2 weeks)
just volunteering, this is from the second version.
it is as loud as the demo master, but somewhat better transients and openness. drums and bass sound bigger etc.. but also some distortion/saturation came with it.

FYI - this is the debut of the "dominion" and "endorphin" plugs together in my system, I think they are absolutely great for the zero price...
dominion: poor man's transient designer, don't underestimate
endorphin: great 2-band brickwall smasher with saturation and an M/S option.
Old 8th July 2005
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In my computer speakers it sounds really nice, and I like the sound, so now I´m curios what band it is?
Old 8th July 2005
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This is a band called "Ultima Thule". I finished the mixes last week and the master was also done and already received. Overall, the project went really nice with positive feedback as well radioplay already. Thanks for the input, suggestions, all the private messages etc. I do appreciate it If anyone is interested in hearing samples of the final product please PM me. Thanks once again, (especially Hans) ...
Old 13th July 2005
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What the h* is that mic that Maarja and Heidi hauge sings in on the session photos fmo your website???
Old 13th July 2005
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what mic?

Violet Ametyst (vintage version)
It's a former Blue...
Old 13th July 2005
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Do you have a phase meter?
I like the mix, but it doesn't sound good in mono.

Cheers, Julian
Old 13th July 2005
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..listened to version II now, the phase-issue is really annoying, I'd look into that, especially if it's gonna be broadcasted on radio and/or TV.
For the rest: I like it! Maybe a bit digital/harsh, but that might very well be the mp3.
You always loose out on the depth of sound with mp3's.

Cheers, Julian


PS Great guitar solo!
Old 11th August 2005
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For me, where were the Vox? Seemed to be buried too deep.
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