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Old 15th August 2007
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New metal album - trying to go for the big thing

Hello,

I basically set up the mix for the whole album based on the 1.st song Burn
I would really appreciate your feedback on the mix. I know it's not a million
dollar song, neither it was done by a top producer and neither it was done
in some big studio but it gives great hopes to a local band and also me as a
metal producer in my area. Please tell me if there is anything major or minor
wrong the way it's mixed or how it translates in your super studio.

Thank you in advance!

PS. The song didn't go through real mastering yet. Just a quick UAD Pultec
and a punchy limiter was thrown at it.

EDIT: Last uploaded version BURN5
Old 15th August 2007
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just checking on HD650 headphones, but...

It sonds good! thumbsup

For some reason, however, the stereo image feels narrow. Do you have some of the guitars panned hard right and left? I like when things are a little wider feeling. Maybe there are center guitars turned up higher?

Nice vocal space.

Overall, I think the drums are a touch thin and a little bright. Small amount, here--maybe you could fatten/warm them up a touch?

Good work, man. You've got it going. Just keep rocking.
Old 15th August 2007
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Thanks telejustin. I dig you thumbsup

You might wanna check the mix also on some speakers but I agree, guitars are not panned fully
to the side and there is another pair more towards the inside. I will change this tomorrow.

Regarding the drums I agree, I could use a lower kick sample probably. Will try to add a sub kick to it.

Do you think there is too much cymbals which give the drums such a thin feeling or should I just fatten
the snare or maybe the whole drum buss group?
Old 15th August 2007
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I don't have speakers to check it--I'll try later when I'm at the studio.

First, widen the guitars all the way! That will make a lot more room for everything.

Second, I'm wondering if the bass is loud and/or fat enough.

Here's my off the cuff theory... With guitars widened you'll be able to add a little more low end to the kick and fatten the drums in general, as well as bringing the bass up a touch. I sort of feel like the low end is overall a bit anemic.

I think the drum balance is okay--just a little bright. The band is good and you're mixing some tight tracks!
Old 15th August 2007
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Thanks. I will do the changes and upload the new file tomorrow
Old 16th August 2007
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I think the drums should be brought up in the mix a bit, they seem a little low and thin.

I think you have a solid base to work from, solid playing and tracking gets you a long way. Good work!
Old 16th August 2007
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hey!

I can't donwload the song... it says:

"The person who sent you this file has exceeded their download limit"

Old 16th August 2007
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I will do the corrections and post a new file later on today thumbsup
Old 17th August 2007
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Here is the last version of the MIX

Would love to hear the comments
Old 17th August 2007
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Great work, dude! Do you have more from this band ? I totally dug their sound
Old 17th August 2007
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Yeah, I am doing the whole album, almost every song is like this good IMHO.
Too bad they are not from the States as it's gonna be hard to break through
from a small European country called Slovenia. Usually bigger labels don't sign
contracts with bands from here...
Old 17th August 2007
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Listened to the track a couple of times. Good work!
The only think what i don't like are the guitars! Did you record them direct? ..becouse they sound to me very steryle and empty! I like the vocals. Very nice voice and nice parts with the backvocals!
Were you trigging kick and snare? I like the sound... the toms are natural, right?

I like the work. Hope the band will find a nice label!

cheers!
Old 17th August 2007
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You got all things right deathman. I would also rather mic the real amps than going through the Motherload. I miss that too.
Band just couldn't afford to hire another studio for this. I have a home based studio which is great but I don't have such a good
tracking facility for guitars... yet

I also used a lot of my own DIY gear like Neveish preamps, LA-2As, my own solid state Neve-Pultec hybrids, different 1176s and so on.
I mixed this OTB on Midas Venice 160.
Old 17th August 2007
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Sounds great man!

But I agree with Deathman that the guitars need a little something. The track has alot of free space.
Old 17th August 2007
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Well nothing much I can do about the guitars now... also no more time for experiments.
Band wants the album finished next week
Old 17th August 2007
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Nice! The revision sounds WAY better. It's bigger, fuller, warmer. And the stereo is sweet. Great job.

I think you're doing really well with the guitars given the direct situation. If you're not doing this already, maybe you could take the guitars to a stereo bus if you've got a nice stereo compressor/EQ rig to give them a little more meat.

Great work! Do you have a good mastering engineer to finish it off? Someone who knows this style???
Old 17th August 2007
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IMHO it sounds much better too.

Guitars are going through SPL Transient designer to get the punch and on the group through a Dual 1176.

He he, I am the one who will do the mastering. Extra layering with nicely processed tracks and M/S usually
gives me great results. The band just can't afford some big mastering studio.
Old 17th August 2007
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Nice work.

Wow, sounds great. Dirty guitars but still clear, not muddy. Good use of vocal harmonies.

-ScottyD
Old 20th August 2007
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Wow! Those vocals are awesome! What mic did you use for those, if you dont mind me asking? Always helps when you have a good singer! He has a real Chris Cornell kinda vibe... with a little Lane Staley thrown in for good measure. Nice work.

Guitars sound pretty good too. remind me of those from Ark's last album, Burn the Sun.
Old 20th August 2007
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Yeah, singer has really great potential.

Mic was Soundelux U195 into my DIY JLM (Neve) preamp --> DIY LA-2A --> DIY Pultec --> Drawmer 1968ME --> DAW

Vocals were totally re-arranged in one month time. You should hear what I got as a demo in the beggining heh
Old 20th August 2007
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Your bandwidth has exceeded in your yousendit account so I cannot download it :(

Can you host it somewhere else?
Try lightningmp3.com

Eck
Old 20th August 2007
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Hey Eck, check the last uploaded version BURN5
Version which you tried to download was anyway not so good.
Old 20th August 2007
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Cheers man.
The mix is a bit too squashed (limited)
Theres a tad too much high end in the hats, and overall in the mix also.

Nice punchy drums.
Real nice mix, but Id take a tad from the highs in the cymbals and hats, and maybe also a tad from the overall mix at mastering. And use less limiting at mastering

Awesome job man!
Eck
Old 20th August 2007
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Thanks Eck

Actually I came to very similar conclusions. Will change this before finalizing the mix.

BTW, limiter at the end was there just to get a feeling of what will most probably happen
to the mix in the mastering stage, not a final thing yet.
Old 20th August 2007
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Thanks Eck

Actually I came to very similar conclusions. Will change this before finalizing the mix.

BTW, limiter at the end was there just to get a feeling of what will most probably happen
to the mix in the mastering stage, not a final thing yet.
Yeah I tend to do that sometimes also by keeping a limiter on it while mixing.

Eck
Old 20th August 2007
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SPL Transient designer sounds like a neat piece of equipment.
Would be great if there was a software version of this.

Eck
Old 20th August 2007
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There is a plug-in that is very similar. Waves TransX
Old 20th August 2007
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Cheers man.
Ill look into the wAves plug

Eck
Old 24th August 2007
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Here is another song http://purusha.smokinggunrecording.com/Never.zip
Old 25th August 2007
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I really dig it...
unboosted recto?
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