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Sweetwater's Virtual Mic Shootout Condenser Microphones
Old 1 week ago
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How hard is it to simply appreciate the fact that a team of people took time out of their professional lives to provide informational material to you free of charge?
Pretty hard, since
1. It wasn't provided for or to me personally as you seem to imply
2. As I already said, it has no value to me. That's simply a statement of such shootouts in general, not this specific one, and I'm not trying to slam them in saying that, I just stated a fact. It's like if someone took time to do an in-depth study of diff brands of tractors, I wouldn't appreciate it either, because it has no value to me. If others did, good for them.
3. Not following "took time out of their professional lives" as if this was some altruistic act of charity. This is a marketing tool by Sweetwater to get people interested in their site/products. (And certainly nothing wrong w/that)

Clearer now?


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I guess the point of these modellers is to do the holy-grail stuff... where you get a mic locker full of tens of thousands of dollars of unobtanium. The "average joe" mics are not really ripe for modelling (yet) because I guess they are more accessible in the first place.
? If they're more accessible, I'd think that would by WHY they are ripe for modelling vs the other way around. But again, to each their own.



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Thankfully you can download all the files, then have someone else rename them and you can listen blind. That solves that problem.
Good point. Could you do that?

I'd just like to point out sir, that appreciation has nothing at all to do with whether something is or isn't for you,a s you put it. There is probably not a song on the radio or one that's popular that was written specifically for you, but I'm sure you can like or appreciate it for what it is.

Also, I'd disagree with your statement in saying that it has no value to you. This is only the case if you choose to be close minded to it, which it seems you are. You may not own or even wish to own any of the vintage or virtual mics represented here, and that is ok. But what if you come across a situation where having the knowledge of the details between these mics could mean the difference in you making lots of money and making pennies? Or, being afforded an opportunity and being turned down for one?

And as you stated, I'm sure that this is in part a marketing strategy for Sweetwater and their products. But that doesn't mean that there is no value to be had or taken from these comparisons.
Old 1 week ago
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Pretty hard, since
1. It wasn't provided for or to me personally as you seem to imply
2. As I already said, it has no value to me. That's simply a statement of such shootouts in general, not this specific one, and I'm not trying to slam them in saying that, I just stated a fact. It's like if someone took time to do an in-depth study of diff brands of tractors, I wouldn't appreciate it either, because it has no value to me. If others did, good for them.
3. Not following "took time out of their professional lives" as if this was some altruistic act of charity. This is a marketing tool by Sweetwater to get people interested in their site/products. (And certainly nothing wrong w/that)

Clearer now?



? If they're more accessible, I'd think that would by WHY they are ripe for modelling vs the other way around. But again, to each their own.



Good point. Could you do that?
I'd just like to point out sir, that appreciation has nothing at all to do with whether something is or isn't for you,a s you put it. There is probably not a song on the radio or one that's popular that was written specifically for you, but I'm sure you can like or appreciate it for what it is.

Also, I'd disagree with your statement in saying that it has no value to you. This is only the case if you choose to be close minded to it, which it seems you are. You may not own or even wish to own any of the vintage or virtual mics represented here, and that is ok. But what if you come across a situation where having the knowledge of the details between these mics could mean the difference in you making lots of money and making pennies? Or, being afforded an opportunity and being turned down for one?

And as you stated, I'm sure that this is in part a marketing strategy for Sweetwater and their products. But that doesn't mean that there is no value to be had or taken from these comparisons.
Old 1 week ago
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Old 1 week ago
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But what if you come across a situation where having the knowledge of the details between these mics could mean the difference in you making lots of money and making pennies?

If the making or breaking of your fortune in pro audio comes down to

a) the knowledge of the details of these mics, and

b) "coming across a situation" where having such knowledge is the sole determinant of success,

I would respectfully suggest that your fortune in pro audio is a pipe dream and you should seriously consider another line of work!


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Old 1 week ago
  #125
is it just me, or did the virtual mics sound "Kaputt" especially in the processed "in music" sound files?

I can not help but particulary on the female 47 files and the male ones, there is something wrong... like the resolution is too low. reminds me of guitar amp simulations back in the day..

the U67 vintage-mik voice processed in the mix sounds very natural where as the slate, townsend have enormous sizzling artefacts and the antelope doesn't integrate with the mix.


thank you Sweetwater for the test!


btw.. (no intension of sounding sarcastic):
the vintage sm 57 sounds fantastic. I want one. Unidyne series, or which one was used?
Old 6 days ago
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reminds me of guitar amp simulations back in the day..

the U67 vintage-mik voice processed in the mix sounds very natural where as the slate, townsend have enormous sizzling artefacts and the antelope doesn't integrate with the mix.
The difference in tone, and in the sibilant characteristics between the mics, ..and compared to an original is pretty telling. Usable, but...
Old 5 days ago
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is it just me, or did the virtual mics sound "Kaputt" especially in the processed "in music" sound files?
In these infomercial threads I never feel like I have, as they say, "permission to speak freely." So thank you, George, for doing so.
Old 4 days ago
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btw.. (no intension of sounding sarcastic):
the vintage sm 57 sounds fantastic. I want one. Unidyne series, or which one was used?
"Vintage" was slightly sarcastic. In this case it meant "not new." It is a 57 of undetermined age that was grabbed from the Sweetwater mic locker. Not old, but not new. Probably 4-5 years old I would guess but don't quote me. Certainly not a 1970s version or a Unidyne. Nothing unique or special.
Old 4 days ago
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In these infomercial threads I never feel like I have, as they say, "permission to speak freely." So thank you, George, for doing so.
You've had plenty of opportunity to educate us all on where mic sims are lacking. Now, all of a sudden it's so obvious where the sonic flaws are?
Old 19 hours ago
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You've had plenty of opportunity to educate us all on where mic sims are lacking. Now, all of a sudden it's so obvious where the sonic flaws are?
Fair enough. for starters, go here:



Hm. You can't. Blocked, for some reason. It's the "Slate VMS at NRG Studios" demo.

Even though the mic sims are really close, all the real mics have a slight 3-D quality, a "back and sides," and a "weight" that the sims lack. This is the kind of thing that might be seemingly insignificant in a raw-vs-raw comparison. In the context of a mix, it's more noticeable. To me at least. And it's actually more noticeable to me on my lo-fi laptop than it is in my studio environment. Not sure why that is.

As for my feeling a lack of permission to speak freely, here's how I got it. There was A UAD thread here with some guest engineer live-tracking a band with an Apollo. He said that he had opted to have the band work without headphones to get the "immediacy in the room," or some such thing. Based on my Apollo experience, I suggested that he actually bagged the cue mixes due to impracticality in the time allotted. My post disappeared almost instantly.
Old 8 hours ago
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Fair enough. for starters, go here:



Hm. You can't. Blocked, for some reason. It's the "Slate VMS at NRG Studios" demo.

Even though the mic sims are really close, all the real mics have a slight 3-D quality, a "back and sides," and a "weight" that the sims lack. This is the kind of thing that might be seemingly insignificant in a raw-vs-raw comparison. In the context of a mix, it's more noticeable. To me at least. And it's actually more noticeable to me on my lo-fi laptop than it is in my studio environment. Not sure why that is.

As for my feeling a lack of permission to speak freely, here's how I got it. There was A UAD thread here with some guest engineer live-tracking a band with an Apollo. He said that he had opted to have the band work without headphones to get the "immediacy in the room," or some such thing. Based on my Apollo experience, I suggested that he actually bagged the cue mixes due to impracticality in the time allotted. My post disappeared almost instantly.
Fair enough!
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