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Old 12th January 2008
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@ the guy who mentioned foreign students. I'm from Dublin, Ireland and I'm currently attending Full Sail. Absolutely loving it.

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Its a waste of money, even if its your dad's.
On the contrary Dylan, that "waste of money" is getting me an A.S degree in 12 months and offering me endless networking opportunities with extremely talented engineers and producers. Not to mention the fact that I have access to their Career Development department and the ability to audit classes for life.
Old 12th January 2008
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I was really, really bored so I read some of this thread. I've been around a long time and I will say that, IMO, a high percentage of FS grads with serious attitude issues have generated the commonly held negative perception about FS. I've met a couple of good ones, but a bunch of stinkers. Several of them I never even bothered to find out if they knew anything. The attitude was all it took for me to pass. Just my experience.

Re: The post above this one.

Am I really supposed to accept that someone signed up to GS, chilled out for a while and then made a beeline straight to this tired thread in order to make their very first post about their undying love for and fantastic experience at Full Sail? And add in the "endless networking opportunities with extremely talented engineers and producers" as well as "access to their Career Development department and the ability to audit classes for life". As I type this the guy's post count is at "1". Check out the language........ straight out of a marketing pamphlet.

Come on.....................

Not a chance that is not a planted post. Cheeeeeeeesy move. If you marketing peeps at FS are going to pose and post in forums, you really need to get a little more subtle, not to mention, creative.
Old 12th January 2008
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You hit the nail on the head BrianT. No student except one with the brownest of noses would write that.

I smell a corporate poser!!!!

Old 12th January 2008
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Just in case it gets deleted by the author, here is the post of interest.

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@ the guy who mentioned foreign students. I'm from Dublin, Ireland and I'm currently attending Full Sail. Absolutely loving it.

On the contrary Dylan, that "waste of money" is getting me an A.S degree in 12 months and offering me endless networking opportunities with extremely talented engineers and producers. Not to mention the fact that I have access to their Career Development department and the ability to audit classes for life.
And the author/post count:

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Old 12th January 2008
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I'm in my 11th month at Full Sail. I'm 20 years old and hail from Dublin, Ireland. Despite the fact that this is my first actual post, I've been a member since September. I joined back then was because I was contacting Charles Maines to gain some advice on recording weaponary. I also just read these forums mostly, never even log on most of the time. The reason I seeked Charles Maines advice was to aid me in the production of the Battlefield 2 mod : "Project Reality". I'm one of two sound artists on the mod. Here, have a look for yourselfs....Project Reality : Battlefield 2 Mod - Mod Team. I'm listed as Jaymz.

So, go ahead and think I'm a "corporate poser" and don't even consider that I was just being defensive towards a chap who told me I'd wasted my money.

go raibh mile maith agat, Jaymz

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Old 13th January 2008
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Alright then. My bad and my apologies.

Thanks for clearing that up and welcome to GS.
Old 14th January 2008
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The Full Sail Recording Arts Degree is pretty much everyone one way ticket to working at guitar center for the rest of your life.
I personally think that most of the idiots at GC have no idea what they are talking about. Every time I go in there for something on sale, I test them. I always ask a question I know the answer to and always receive a BS answer if any at all. They then proceed to say "it's a cool product, right?". Each have their own specialty but tend to not be able to apply it to another section they may be working in. The poor wannabe DJ that gets a guitar specialist will walk out of there with a product he was BS'd into due to a commission. If you are in NYC, head over to B&H Photo Video. They have a specialist for each section and are very helpful. They put GC employees to shame. I think commission has a lot to do with it but they need to restructure their floor people.

I've been in music all my life and I know the FS grads that won Grammy's for engineering are multi talented and took their FS knowledge and applied it to their passion for music. The only people that should be in this industry should be passionate about it. Music is an art. You can either do it or not. An artist can either paint, or they can't (or have a hard ass time learning). Music education is there to allow "naturals" to excel and those interested in music to learn all about it. Education is always good...

To each his own... There are idiot doctors, lawyers, etc out there but they DID have to learn something in order to graduate. Where they go from there depends on what they learned and how they apply it.

Most people hating on FS Studs/Grads either don't have the $ to go, don't want to go and end up spending it on gear (my personal favorite and a great option for those "Bill Gates" types), or are ignorant because they WILL teach you what you need to know.

I recommend saving your $, get a studio in NYC and some gear, and get to know as many people as possible.
Old 14th January 2008
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I bought a piece of low-end gear from a FS non-grad at GC about 6 months ago.


He didn't know jack **** about pro-audio gear, and was $52,000 in debt (still didn't graduate).

We had a conversation about his whole situation.

Of course he had an air of douchbaggery about him, clearly a result of his studies at FS. He ended up giving me mis-information about the product and its compatibility, so I had to return it.


No commission for you!



One of the engineers at the studio I was allowed to hang out at was also a FS grad. He basically told me to "Save your money, read books and learn PT. Don't go to FS".

Then he went on to talk about the mics, pres and comps he could have bought with his tuition money.

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Old 14th January 2008
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Of course he had an air of douchbaggery about him, clearly a result of his studies at FS. He ended up giving me mis-information about the product and its compatibility, so I had to return it.
Just because one went to FS does not mean one instantly knows everyone about GEAR.

They don't teach knowledge of gear compatibility... they make you more familiar with gear that is commonly found in studio enviroments and how to use it.
Old 15th January 2008
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Just because one went to FS does not mean one instantly knows everyone about GEAR.

They don't teach knowledge of gear compatibility... they make you more familiar with gear that is commonly found in studio enviroments and how to use it.
If one goes to a school like FS and works at GC, they should have some knowledge about most gear they sell. They don't have to be passionate about the gear, (like us gearheads) but should have a good knowledge base. You are correct but again, this is something GC needs to visit from an upper level mgt. standpoint.

GC employees are the Best Buy employees of pro-audio... It's very rare that any of them have a clue of what they are talking about. Most of them seem like washed up california surfers.
Old 15th January 2008
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I wish someone would clue these young "engineers" that a know-it-all attitude is a sure fire way to alienate anyone that would help or hire you. Everyone hates attitude cases.

It's funny, but every god like, Grammy nominated or winning real engineer I've ever had the fortune to meet were all great guys, no attitude and very likeable. Hrm, maybe that's a job qualification? Heck, it seems to be a bigger factor for success than technical know how!

Just my opinion.
Old 15th January 2008
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Why would anyone clue them? They should learn it the hard way - as soon as they realize how clueless they are (takes between an hour and a few weeks in a studio, generally), they'll shut up, unless they're real morons.

In other words, take some time to discover whether they'd been full of themselves all their lives, or whether it was a trait acquired in school.
Old 15th January 2008
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I have noticed two types of people employed at GC. The first is the young kid, straight out of school or just wanting to work in something audio related, biding their time to get into something better. THen worse than that is the rejects straight out of the 80's (metal/rock dudes usually) who probably still live with their Mom's and have a band that plays some kind of 80's style metal/rock that they obliviously still think is current and will get them signed one day. And usually they have the biggest "attitiudes" and cockiness.
Old 15th January 2008
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Alright then. My bad and my apologies.

Thanks for clearing that up and welcome to GS.
"And another thing: you'll never audit a class in this town again!"
Old 15th January 2008
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Why would anyone clue them? They should learn it the hard way - as soon as they realize how clueless they are (takes between an hour and a few weeks in a studio, generally), they'll shut up, unless they're real morons.

In other words, take some time to discover whether they'd been full of themselves all their lives, or whether it was a trait acquired in school.
less than an hour, actually. first time i walked into a room with a 72 channel neve V, i knew i was at the bottom of a long, uphill path. but the console had so many nicely colored lights that i decided to stick around and make a go of things.
Old 15th January 2008
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For that kind of money... Stay home with mom and dad, Take an interneship and tell them you will work part time (25) hrs a week for free. Tell them that after 2 months of hard work you want your position to be reavaluated and paid for your work.

Build your way up and spend whatever you would have spent on School and put it into building your own studio.
Old 15th January 2008
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THen worse than that is the rejects straight out of the 80's (metal/rock dudes usually) who probably still live with their Mom's and have a band that plays some kind of 80's style metal/rock that they obliviously still think is current and will get them signed one day. And usually they have the biggest "attitiudes" and cockiness.
Whoa! I know a dude like that, but he's in his 50's and his era of rock is totally 70's!!!! Well, lately (last few years) he decided to modernize his songs with stuff that was more 80's. ROFL.

I wish I was unethical enough to post his home demos he gave me for his upcoming record that is never going to happen. Funniest thing EVER.
Old 15th January 2008
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I've known quite a few FS grads that have gone on to do well for themselves. My buddy that most recently graduated from FS is an intern at Blackbird, and just mixed (at Blackbird) a record I tracked.
Old 16th January 2008
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Whoa! I know a dude like that, but he's in his 50's and his era of rock is totally 70's!!!! Well, lately (last few years) he decided to modernize his songs with stuff that was more 80's. ROFL.

I wish I was unethical enough to post his home demos he gave me for his upcoming record that is never going to happen. Funniest thing EVER.
lol Yeah It could apply to any decade. ;-)
Old 16th January 2008
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just like the school i attend for production.

there are sooo many kids that go in, and make a huge ripple in the industry.
there are soo many kids that go in, and do squat.

just like full sail i know kids that are working with bon jovi, i know kids that are working at guitar center, and i know kids that are selling their gear for oxy-80's


but just like an internship.
you either WANT to do this, or you don't..


i don't find anything glamorous about this industry. you constantly have to answer your phone, you have to constantly be nice to bigtime dickheads, you have to work with people that are sometimes wacked out on drugs, sometimes you don't get much sleep, and on the day you don't get much sleep, is when a speaker explodes, or a cable breaks..

however, the only thin i find really galmorous about this industry, is when i hear my mix rock an entire crowd of people...absolutely love it.

alot of people are intimidated that i'm working for a bachelor degree, and i plan on going back to electronics.
alot of people WONT work with me because of it.
some people look at me and think he can't lift a speaker.

haha

those are the guys that stay local, they never make what they are worth, and they usually settle. which if thats what you want, fine.

school, no school,whatever you have.

its what you make out of it, you can't classify a group of people by looking at a few. generalizations like that are worthless.


if you went, go to full sail. i hope you have the best time of your life, because those neve boards, and whatever else they have down there...are luxuries.

wait till you are asked to mix on a mackie 1604.
and UNTIL you can make a band sound killer on a mackie 1604- don't think your that grand of an engineer.

- the big toys, sound better- so they make it easier.


and if you don't wanna listen to any of this- then hey good luck!
Old 17th January 2008
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I find the graduates of these "prestigious" recording schools are arrogant, like they own the recording business.
Old 17th January 2008
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I find the graduates of these "prestigious" recording schools are arrogant, like they own the recording business.
how can you generalize like this and not sound arrogant yourself?

i know i'm making a pretty bold stand by saying this, but c'mon? every single one?! i find that hard to believe.

in fact i have met alot of arrogant ones, and i've met ALOT that are just as passionate as myself about audio.
Old 18th January 2008
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how can you generalize like this and not sound arrogant yourself?

i know i'm making a pretty bold stand by saying this, but c'mon? every single one?! i find that hard to believe.

in fact i have met alot of arrogant ones, and i've met ALOT that are just as passionate as myself about audio.
Too true, but in my mind, the Asshats stand out more then the good, honest, down-to-earth guys.
Old 18th January 2008
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This thread cracks me up,

It's full of people just lumping all FS graduates into one little catergory that they can talk **** about. But alas, I'm done sticking up for my college. There's no way I can change anyones opinions about Full Sail graduates, just not going to happen. It's like trying to convert a racist, if I tell Johnny KKK that it was a black person who invented heart transplant surgery, he's not going care...or even listen for that matter...
Old 18th January 2008
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moooooan

this thread is STILL going?
Old 24th January 2008
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Smile

so,
i hope this thread dies to.
but honestly, i JUST CREATED AN ACCOUNT 5 MINUTES AGO TO POST ON HERE.

i've been lurking this site forever but this thread made me register.

just let me say,....

i'm a full sail graduate.

i know there's MANY ******s that come out of the recording arts program.
HOWEVER
i've got a session next week, i bought some drum triggers for it, and literally ran into a problem with using the recorded midi to trigger the sounds in my roland module then back out (using the local sounds) and i e-mailed my teacher, he gave me his cell number, and we'l figure it out.

i've e-mailed all my teachers before and they've helped me through any problems, i've had teachers that let me sit in on their sessions just to learn.

i even audited a class because they changed the gear,
i really applied myself, and i learned SO MUCH from that freaking school.
it was worth it, to have the hands on learning and access to my teachers and gear that i do, rather than spending a year reading everytihng around me nonstop to get to this point, and OF COURSE i know i've got a lot left to learn.

not to mention, while i'm still in orlando, i've been taking a few of my sessions into the mix palace, and mixing on the SSL AWS 900 and thousand upon thousands of dollars worth of gear.
so i'm pretty stoked about my access to that stuff.

so there's my 2 cents.
i liked it, i feel as if i'm a good candidate to work in studios (which i currently do) and FULLY understand that SO MANY of the kids coming out of there are complete jerk-offs.
Old 7th March 2008
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Same as Musicians Institute

I'd have to say that it's the same reason players from the Musicians Institute got such a bad rep. Being one myself I can tell you that even though I(and a few others) worked my ass off and made the best of it, most of my class mates just wrote checks every semester until graduation and were NO BETTER at the end of the program than when we started.
as far as my Studio, I just ended a working relationship with someone with a 'recording arts' degree. Though he was smart and talented, his education made him unteachable...
if that makes any sense...

but some FS grads are great!
Old 7th March 2008
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I'd have to say that it's the same reason players from the Musicians Institute got such a bad rep. Being one myself I can tell you that even though I(and a few others) worked my ass off and made the best of it, most of my class mates just wrote checks every semester until graduation and were NO BETTER at the end of the program than when we started.
as far as my Studio, I just ended a working relationship with someone with a 'recording arts' degree. Though he was smart and talented, his education made him unteachable...
if that makes any sense...

but some FS grads are great!
people.... being great/crap has nothing to do with being a Fullsail grad though. That's the point i suppose. The problem is that the teaching at FS isnt super duper, but then again - it isnt at ANY of these music tech course apart from a very small handful.

This, like so many jobs, is an experience job. 12 months to get an AS degree? "Good for you" and "so what" at the same time. I've got more degrees than you can shake a stick at (unless you can shake a stick at four) - it's bunkem. This isnt rocket science (something i know a thing or two about !!).. it's recording and music/sound creation. Its more than 50% about opinion, hard work, thinking outlandishly creatively and a bit of savvy and gumption to go out there and just damn well do it......


....do it in an overcrowded over saturated marketplace mind. And that's where the problem with places like FS set in. You spend you money to get a degree in a field that barely qualifies for a degree (c'mon - a flipping degree in audio engineering, or better still music business - mate, one of my degrees is in electrical engineering and the science of things like filter circuits and acoustic transmission is pretty ****ing basic).

So - the main problem isnt the grads themselves. Far from it. How can you possibly point the same finger at so many individuals? No. The point is its thousands of graduates a year chasing a minutae of work. I recently calculated that in my 17 years of professional work i've done the audio on products that have generated over £4 billion. Thats right over 100 million retail sales of video games and movies with some garage rock thrown in for a laugh. How many people did it take? Well me and my three team mates. That's it. Four ****ing jobs. How many newbies have i taken on in the last 5 years? None apart from occasional assistants....

... so that's the real beef. FS students - stop being arrogant. Seasoned Pro's - stop being rude to the future of our industry (somewhere in there someone is going to make a big impact). Everyone else...... take a ****ing chill pill


big love

narcs.....
Old 7th November 2009
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My 2 cents

Howdy yall,
alex bork, 22, fullsail '06

i had a panic attack when i was in month 7 of 12 at FS because i realized that i was balls deep in debt and couldn't mix to save my life. Obviously, i only got the oppertunity to "mix" 1 song while in school. I don't think that anyone leaves FS w/ ears, but i could smoke people on PT. That's how i got my in on recording.
I went to work for older cats who hadn't bothered to learn anything about the editing power or the pitfalls of having an HD rig. thus, i became in-house tech support. This gave me the oppertunity to see how people mixed, while simultaneously doing a ton of live gigs nationally (3-5 gigs a week since '06 and still goin strong.)
Having gone home to a smaller market, it gave me the oppertunity to suck, for that is how you learn. i was given the necessary skills from FS to operate gear, and have an idea of what to put on what and industry standard signal chains.
as a working professional, i feel that FS gave me a familiarity the knowledge base necessary of all engineers. This comes in handy when presented w/ experiences on site, because things are much less likely to take me by surprise, at least i've heard of it before.
I have a contemporary, who has worked in the industry longer than myself, but who made the progression from stage hand to monitors to FOH to recording. I feel that he has more know-how in certain instances, but that my work flow both live and recording just kills.

to summarize my ramble, i'm glad i went to school. however, i wish i'd gone after having at least recorded professionally in a band. it sucks asking grammy winners about signal flow. now i'm out and i'd like to ask theoretical and precise questions and they're not as readily available. as far as cost and that, i wish i'd have gone to the conservatory outside phoenix. 15k as opposed to 42. bam.
cheers!
Old 7th November 2009
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....do it in an overcrowded over saturated marketplace mind. And that's where the problem with places like FS set in. You spend you money to get a degree in a field that barely qualifies for a degree (c'mon - a flipping degree in audio engineering, or better still music business - mate, one of my degrees is in electrical engineering and the science of things like filter circuits and acoustic transmission is pretty ****ing basic).

So - the main problem isnt the grads themselves. Far from it. How can you possibly point the same finger at so many individuals? No. The point is its thousands of graduates a year chasing a minutae of work. I recently calculated that in my 17 years of professional work i've done the audio on products that have generated over £4 billion. Thats right over 100 million retail sales of video games and movies with some garage rock thrown in for a laugh. How many people did it take? Well me and my three team mates. That's it. Four ****ing jobs. How many newbies have i taken on in the last 5 years? None apart from occasional assistants....

... so that's the real beef. FS students - stop being arrogant. Seasoned Pro's - stop being rude to the future of our industry (somewhere in there someone is going to make a big impact). Everyone else...... take a ****ing chill pill
this is something i forgot to mention. i was fortunate to move in while a bunch of engineers were moving out of the market, giving me opportunities.

now that i won't work for 15$/hr or 60$ a show live the work has fallen off cause there are a ton of me from 3 yrs ago running around. the point of over saturation, and the productivity of a single engineer are HUGE considerations. This is the reason I work live so much, consistent work (though i've gotten scabbed out of 2 of my house gigs, and my production company wants rights to my availability exclusively, which i can't give them.)
additionally, on top of my 3-5 gigs a week and 2 projects i'm carrying, i'm back in school for electrical engineering. knowledge is power, and the coosh front office job to retire to doesn't really exist in audio engineering. when your ears go, so do you.
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