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Old 19th July 2006
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holy hell this thread is still alive?
Old 28th July 2006
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I'll take back any negative comments I made.
I've had my share of "behind the curtain" conversations in the last month.
My foot is down my throat.
Despite qualms with the current curriculum timeline. It's legit.

Many students head over to the major market facilities.
If, and if they end up scoring an assistant gig, down the line,
it's expected that they come across as a better than the norm.
Old 2nd August 2006
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So I started this thread, and as a responsible parent, I feel that it is time for it to die a quiet death.
Old 3rd August 2006
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People don't go to these schools to become "producers"... At least Full Sail is for engineering....

And where the studios are in the school (Full Sail), there's plaques on the wall from albums graduates had worked on.... such as one of Madonna's albums, Jay-Z's Black Album.. One of Eminems albums.... Creed... SHAQ DIESEL MOFO... there's way more than I can remember cuz I haven't been in that building for a while....


Those records are albums that were recorded in full or partially at Full Sail's studios, the same studios they teach classes in. They used to rent out the studios commercially, not sure if they still do or not. The commercial name for the studio was "Platinum Post", and Buffy was the studio manager.
Old 3rd August 2006
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Ah... makes sense...

However, there are tons of pictures/poster type things on the wall throughout the school of graduates with a list of some of their credits.

I'm sure if you've gone there you remember em.... unless they didnt have em when you were there.... oh well-
Old 3rd August 2006
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Originally Posted by DaKid
Ah... makes sense...

However, there are tons of pictures/poster type things on the wall throughout the school of graduates with a list of some of their credits.

I'm sure if you've gone there you remember em.... unless they didnt have em when you were there.... oh well-


Am I on there? heh

The only things on the walls when I was there were across from the main machine room by studios A and B. Included was Juans grammy plaque, etc etc. That wall was more for teachers than students I believe.
Old 4th August 2006
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Am I on there? heh

HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE ONE AND ONLY SHAQ DIESEL???? HM, DIDNT THINK SO!

The only things on the walls when I was there were across from the main machine room by studios A and B. Included was Juans grammy plaque, etc etc. That wall was more for teachers than students I believe.


Do you speak of the crazy Juan? Who always wears his grammy jacket? Or the other one thats kinda low key? (ponytail I think)

Crazy Juan is the man. That guy has got some stories that are too out of this world to be made up. haha.

At least in the new Entertainment Business building, they have a bunch of cheesy posters/pictures on the wall with a picture of the ex-student, their credits and then some one-liner.

"Hey, if you have to work 16 hour days - you work 16 hour days. This is video games, this is your dream job!"
Old 4th August 2006
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I'll have to go check out the school if I make it out there for that record soon.

I'm speaking of the latin Juan, Jaun Percolos (I think that's his last name). He's got a lot of really curley hair. I saw him on here once...couple years ago. That guy is f'n hillarious. I saw him go at this drummer once, dancing around like a fairy telling him to stop playing like a sissie. The drummer was so pissed...but we were cracking up. It was quite hillarious.

Some other great instructors are Todd Childress (think he still works there), and this red headed guy named Brent. He was one of the smartest people there, not that anyone took the time to find that out. Then there was that skinny tall guy that drank a lot of coffee. He tought the microphone class when I was there. I also like Brian Smithers, Steve (short Steve), and that other guy who tought advanced recording, Neils I think? Crap... I can't believe I can't remember his name, he gave me the course directors award in advanced recording...
Old 4th August 2006
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I'll have to go check out the school if I make it out there for that record soon.

I'm speaking of the latin Juan, Jaun Percolos (I think that's his last name). He's got a lot of really curley hair. I saw him on here once...couple years ago. That guy is f'n hillarious. I saw him go at this drummer once, dancing around like a fairy telling him to stop playing like a sissie. The drummer was so pissed...but we were cracking up. It was quite hillarious.

Some other great instructors are Todd Childress (think he still works there), and this red headed guy named Brent. He was one of the smartest people there, not that anyone took the time to find that out. Then there was that skinny tall guy that drank a lot of coffee. He tought the microphone class when I was there. I also like Brian Smithers, Steve (short Steve), and that other guy who tought advanced recording, Neils I think? Crap... I can't believe I can't remember his name, he gave me the course directors award in advanced recording...
Sounds like the Juan I'm talking about...lol

Todd is definitely one of the most knowledgable people there... Smithers and short Steve are def. cool too... There's def. a lot of cool instructors at FS...

You ever have Norbert or Mike Reeves in session?
Old 16th August 2006
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My take on Full sail?

Well, I once asked for some info to be sent to my place a few years ago because I had a friend who was going there and didn't know anything about the school. They sent me admission packs about four times, and called me 5 times. They were always nice, but I never asked to be called. I felt that they were trying to make the whole recording industry very glamarous.

Berklee couldn't give a rat's butt if I wanted to go there. Also, in order to get into the MP+E major (Music production and engineering) I had to have had above a 3.5 GPA from previous year in my core classes such as Harmony and Ear training, etc. I also had to fill out quite an extensive application with a great number of essay questions. Then there was the interview with the Ass. chair of the department, and finally there was the fact that the acceptance rate for the major was 32% the previous year, where I knew I was competing against tons of kids just like me, and would be for the next 3 years. I had to prove that I wanted to be there.
I spent a good year assisting on upper level student's projects, I also had to make and keep friends if I wanted them to call me back to ask me to assist. The classes I took that year mostly consisted of business and production classes. I had to edit 1/4 inch tape. I had to learn how to calculate AFTRA dues. I had to write reports on why I believed Radiohead had a lot to thank the Beatles for. The only time I remember touching a protools rig was to mix two well known song together to make something interesting and sensical at the end of the year.
I'm not going to bore you with the rest of my college experience. It's just difficult for me to believe that a school that only last a year can shove all the knowleage and experience of 3 years into it, even if it is 40 hours a week. Actually, ask any MP+E'er and they will most likely say that they do work 40 hours a week on projects, rehearsals, and practice time.
I think in he long run I learned more from the production classes then in the engineering ones. I learned about booking sessions when you have to account for the lives of many 14 musicians and how to keep them focused on the task at hand though events such as the world series( I had sessions on both the 7th game of semi-finals and on the 4th game of the finals). I learned wha the 'ell a producer actually does.
I spent a lot of time messing things up, and learning how to pick myself up again. I spent a lot of time(still do) thinking about how I was going to be able to make a proper income doing what I love. I was also surrounded by very competent teachers whom many I was able to gain some insight from and realize that it is doable. Most of the voices on this message board can atest to this.

I met up with my friend who went to FS a few months after he came back from FL. He showed me his manual from school, which showed a few pics of some well known mics and talked about the basics of signal flow and such. He talked about calibrating a tape machine once, I had been doing that for the past year. He showed me a picture of a Senn. 441, I wondered if he had any idea what it might sound like, let alone what it might sound good on. He talked about recording some band that came in to the studio one day, I thought it would be nice to not have to schedule rehearsals and find assistants and make copys of charts for the brass section and buy bottled water and deal with a 6 hour vocal comp session. I wondered if he knew how to wrap a cable correctly, let alone fix one.

I haven't even touched on the fact that Berklee is actually a music school, and you are required to obtain a fairly sufficent amont of musical knowledge, play an instrument, etc.

I don't hate FS, but I very much appreciate my time at Berklee.
heh heh
Old 25th August 2006
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I'm not trying to piss on FS, but you would be wise to look at alternative froms of education to get into this industry. Just walk in any studio in town drop $10,000 and say I want to sit in the corner for the next 3 months and make you're coffee while you record people.
Good luck to you all.

Yes, yes and more yes. We have the Conservatory here in Phoenix and much about what has been said of FS applies to our school too. People always ask me how I learned how to do the things I do and I tell them that everything I know how to do was learned because some paying client demanded that particular skill.

There are many things I do not know how to do because my business and my clients do not demand certain skills. Therefore, I think 3 months in a real working studio probably teaches much more than the schools.

We work with lots of Electronic Musicians as well as tons of hip hop. Someone wanting to work in that specific genre would have a blast at our place. Someone wanting to work post would probably want to go somewhere else but these schools attempt to teach you how to work at all these places - too much if ya ask me.

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Old 27th August 2006
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I'll have to go check out the school if I make it out there for that record soon.

I'm speaking of the latin Juan, Jaun Percolos (I think that's his last name). He's got a lot of really curley hair. I saw him on here once...couple years ago. That guy is f'n hillarious. I saw him go at this drummer once, dancing around like a fairy telling him to stop playing like a sissie. The drummer was so pissed...but we were cracking up. It was quite hillarious.

Some other great instructors are Todd Childress (think he still works there), and this red headed guy named Brent. He was one of the smartest people there, not that anyone took the time to find that out. Then there was that skinny tall guy that drank a lot of coffee. He tought the microphone class when I was there. I also like Brian Smithers, Steve (short Steve), and that other guy who tought advanced recording, Neils I think? Crap... I can't believe I can't remember his name, he gave me the course directors award in advanced recording...
dfegad FULL SAIL REAL WORLD EDUCATION

https://propeller.fullsail.com/index...85/con_id/4391

Juan "Pericles" Covas. Very smart. Toured with Parliment!! If you guys thought the RA degree was a joke then the EBBS program will crack you up. I met some cool people at FS, but REALLY feel that i should have spent the time (and $$$$$) In a real studio. FULLSAIL, STOP STEALING MONEY YOU CRAZY BASTARDS!
Old 27th August 2006
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I think I commented to this thread a while back, but anyway...

First of all, Juan Covas is rad. I had him for a few labs in session recording, and they were very insightful. I also had a great time with some of the other instructors, and still keep in touch with some of them (Brian Smithers, for example, I try to shoot him a msg every few months).

The school was a useful experience for me, but a bit pricey. I was totally the class nerd and teachers' pet, constantly sitting toward the front of the room, asking tons of questions and doing everything I could. I bagged a few of the student awards while there, and was generally a studio rat who hung out on campus as often as possible and was working in my home studio when I wasn't there.

That said, I landed my first real gig at a post studio in Detroit called GTN, and learned much more in six months there than I learned in a year at FS. Nothing can compare to being a fly on the wall for real session work, especially when you're watching over the shoulders of a few guys who are damn good at what they do. But, I think the FS experience gave me a foundation that allowed me to learn even more from that experience. I wasn't lost trying to understand signal flow or simple things, and was able to focus on how they were working with the sounds, how they were placing mics and recording things, etc.

I don't regret my decision to go. I worked on audio for two games earlier this year (one was Tony Hawk's Project 8), and now I'm working full-time for a game developer, so I've basically realized my dream. I'm doing the job I've wanted for about twenty years. But definitely scope it out before you go, and know that it may be a detriment to your getting a job... a lot of facilities have had very bad experiences with FS grads, and they will be hesitant to hire you.
Old 27th August 2006
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dfegad FULL SAIL REAL WORLD EDUCATION

https://propeller.fullsail.com/index...85/con_id/4391

Juan "Pericles" Covas. Very smart. Toured with Parliment!! If you guys thought the RA degree was a joke then the EBBS program will crack you up. I met some cool people at FS, but REALLY feel that i should have spent the time (and $$$$$) In a real studio. FULLSAIL, STOP STEALING MONEY YOU CRAZY BASTARDS!
Can't read the link... I need to be a "student" to access it.
Old 27th August 2006
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Can't read the link... I need to be a "student" to access it.
Here ya go...

Juan Covas, Lab Specialist
Juan Covas - Welcome Back My Friends to the Show That Never Ends!

Juan “Pericles” Covas has been making records almost as long as records have been made. Born in a small town outside of San Juan, Puerto Rico, Juan spend several years in Columbia engineering for a private facility before moving on to New York, and finally settling down in Orlando, where he has been recording for over twenty-five years. With countless RIAA-certified Gold and Platinum awards hanging on his studio walls, Juan is credited with nearly seven hundred albums in his career! Juan won his Grammy in 1998 for Marc Anthony’s “Contra La Corriente” in the Best Latin Tropical Performance category.

Juan’s long and storied career finds him working with a diverse array of recording artists and producers including the legendary Bootsy Collins' Bootsy’s Rubber Band, Ray Parker, Jr., Raydio, R & B legends Harold Melvin & the Bluenotes, King Sporty, jazz greats Stan Getz and Hubert Laws, reggae icon Peter Tosh, Motown great Smokey Robinson, Peter Brown, R & B sensation Teddy Pendergrass, pop giants Kool and the Gang, The Coasters, the immortal Chubby Checker, Third World, John McLaughlin, Chic Corporation, the Charlites, and Betty Wright.

Clients to his studio, JetSailSound, include legendary figures in the music industry including Dizzy Gillespie, Tito Puente, Jorge Calandrelli, Armando Manzanero, Menudo, Ricky Martin, Paquito D’Rivera, Dianne Shur, jazz artists the Yellowjackets, Jose Feliciano, Miami Disco Band, Richie Ray-Bobby Cruz, Rudy Perez, Ednita Nazario, Willie Colon, Celia Cruz, Eddie Palmeria, Mongo Santamaria, Ismael Miranda, Andy Montanez, Lucecita Benitez, Marc Anthony, Gilberto Santarosa, Tony Vega, Giovanni Hildago, Alex Acuna, Endel Dueno, George Benson, David Sanchez, Nestor Torres, and jazz great David Sanbourn.

Juan says that in order to have a great session and get a good recording, “You must take of your body. Eat well, get enough sleep if possible, and keep your ears rested and clear.” Juan believes that engineers should always arrive early. He says, “The clock is running whether you’re there or you are not.” Juan always recommends that his clients change strings 24 hours prior to a session, and says, “Guests can be a real distraction. You should keep participants of a session down to only the absolute necessary people needed for the session to function. Guests can be a distraction and can even sway opinion. Keep it simple.”

Juan enjoys spending time with his wife and children, the youngest now in college, when he’s not in the studio, which is rare. “I don’t have many vices left”, Juan says with a chuckle. “I had to give most of them up years ago!” “I just came to teach the students the right way to make a record. I have them tell me how is the proper way to record, then see if they know it for themselves. In the old days, if students got it wrong, I used to give out Burger King applications!” Stop by and get to know this icon and local legend, one of Full Sail’s finest instructors. Juan will be the one saying, “Merry Christmas!”
Old 27th August 2006
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I never knew about the Burger King thing, but I often commented at FS that, if I were an instructor, I'd keep a stack of McDonald's applications on my desk and hand them to students I sent out of class for being disruptive. I knew there was a reason I liked that man
Old 6th July 2007
  #167
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Your education results from your input and your dedication only.

But, someone made a past in this thread about going to a studio and droping 10 Gs and staying there. BRILLIANT.

I love Full Sail, I love Berklee, I love the conservatory, I just love recording. Why cant all this be about recording. Be
Old 6th July 2007
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But, someone made a past in this thread about going to a studio and droping 10 Gs and staying there. BRILLIANT.
Yes, that was me... I can't believe this thread keeps popping back up. The 10 G's is a little sarcastic but I meant it as an analogy.

I personally would take a few courses at a community college to get some basic signal flow down and pay/or provide some form of incentive to a local studio that you feel will best provide you with the kind of education you are looking for. Simple as that.

I was lucky enough to know of a local studio here in Charlotte a while back and got an offer to be an intern with room to advance to an engineer once leaving Full Sail. Instead of the studio constantly trying to teach me things they & myself felt it was best to just let me work on my own and figuring out the place a lot of the time. I was also able to record my band there on any off time so that was great practice. I'm glad they let me do it this way as I got to learn my style and how I like to work.

Just cover your ass and do your homework before you drop serious cash on an education in this industry, because this industry can be a real bitch.
Old 6th July 2007
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I do not think there is a thread on this forum that actually says anything nice about Full Sail.

I did do the research and I was impressed the most by Full Sail. I do not regret the money at all, I just do not think that a place like that should be perfect.

We are all humans...Now back to recording. Lock this thread
Old 6th July 2007
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I do not think there is a thread on this forum that actually says anything nice about Full Sail.

I did do the research and I was impressed the most by Full Sail. I do not regret the money at all, I just do not think that a place like that should be perfect.

We are all humans...Now back to recording. Lock this thread
This thread should never be locked, as people are entitled to their opinons. The fact that there is about 90% negativity toward FS doesn't mean ****, but it would definitely make me do my homework before making a decision if I was someone else.

Maybe you feel the need to defend/block out this threads negativity because you spent a lot of money and are second guessing things... I know I would. Just try and look at it in a different aspect.

By the way, I don't regret going to FS as I take it more as a lesson, but I would defintely do it differently if I could.
Old 10th July 2007
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As a 1999 graduate I did find it expensive but now is just crazy considering the job opportunities today. I had a great time there. They will teach what the equipment does but not how to use it. That is up to your ears. What I did get out of it was an intenrship in a world class studio wich led to an assisting job and then a good reference for an engineering job. My best friend from my class works installing home theatres. I guess the place is what you make of it. JuanC is the man....
Old 1st November 2007
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Stick it on there. People will know if your worth a lick of salt or not. It's nice to show people that your sierous enough to attend the BEST recording school in the country.

F*k em if they don't like it.

I had a great time there, and would go again. Sure, there were a lot of dumbasses in school with me, but if your there to learn, THERE IS AN INSANE AMOUNT OF KNOWLEDGE TO BE HAD. You just have to look for it.

I didn't win a grammy personally, but worked on a record that won a grammy. I recorded the vocals, and it won a grammy for best female pop vocalist.

I think it was one of the best things I've ever done, and would do it again in a heart beat.

The industry "didn't beat me up" because of it either. It was quite different. A lot of people know what that school holds, and if you prove to be competent they will hold it in high regards. Some people are a$$holes and will complain about anything and everything. Can't please everyone.
Thats what I like to hear!

I'm at Full Sail right now and I love it.....I'm in the Music Business right now and no one in my class is incompetent at all, great personalities, I guess the RA weeded out all the ******s...
Old 8th November 2007
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If you have $40K a year and think a 2 or 4 year "certificate" will make your musical life great, FANTASTIC. You are the next warm body on the assembly line. FOR PROFIT institutions promise, in writing, little or nothing. Butts in seats provide profit with inescapable debt and guaranteed payment.

A person who is self-motivated CAN study and work their way into a good position with $4K in gear (or less, way less) for self-training. Then they sell the gear for $3K and move on if it doesn't work out. Library books are the cheapest things. TIME is what is lacking. Most people work too much, commute too much, and try to live too well, when they really need TIME to read/study/experiment/think. If you have someone helping you along professionally, all the better. Expect to wash their car, fetch the paper, make coffee, empty wastebaskets. You are being given the benefit of their experience, which will save you the TIME that you don't have to waste making the same mistakes and cleaning up after.

There is no such thing as "menial work" for someone moving through it. Fast food: easy. Waiting: tips, meet good people, learn to deal with the other kind. Janitorial: off-hours and high pay. Construction: hard work, high pay. Saving some money gets you to where you have a real chance to "make it".

If I were running a for-profit school that needs to keep the pipeline full, I would make sure that there were 4 (or 40!) full time Web Board Specialists putting out the good news and positive spin on bad and no news. There would be dozens of "personas" and scripts to go with. It would be part of the advertising overhead, like ads in MIX mag. Not accusing anyone here, but if you do a web search....

A year tuition at Oregon State is now $5K. They have a music dept. They have a Physics Dept. They have an EE dept. You could take classes in all/any. I bet your State has the same deal.

How many foreign music production students who want to be World Music Biz people attend American for-profit vocational-ed programs? Not Americans studying "foreign music", but French, English, or Canadian students (paying cash, not Federally Guaranteed Student Loans) who know it's better than anything in their country (which they would likely attend at no-charge)?

Just wondering.

Karl
GREAT post.
Old 30th November 2007
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Talking ARTI. OVER FULL SAIL?

Worth it? Im looking at going to their program for training on gear for games or post potentially. I was thinking of nailing that program out for the 7 months and spending my nights working on MODs. they apparently have good connections with the industry, but where as another school i was looking at (full sail) has a good program it seems, they are saturated with dumb****s. ARTI also only has 6 students per class so thats beneficial. anyone heard praises/hatred for this school? sorry if this isnt the area of the forum I should post in...

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Old 30th November 2007
  #175
ahhhhh! i am glad i did not went to Full$ail. with all that tuition money i have been buying me some gear.
Old 30th November 2007
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holy hell this thread is still alive?
I agree. Can we let this die yet?
Old 7th January 2008
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haha, sorry man

i think just mentioning FS on this forum is asking for an egging. They teach you guys how to operate a $1,000,000 SSL board. haha. This makes me laugh out my ass because: 1. Your never going to use one again. and 2: There's maybe 5 of them in the US.

And why are you recording on expensive gear anyways, there are probably more things you can learn from recording on a **** system than on an HD (no doubt about it. ask anyone here).

Just give it a rest and start learning, and spending your money more wisely, like on a piece of crap studio and try making a decent recording. Oh and make sure to mix with plastic BestBuy computer speakers that cost no less than $20 , thats a good starting point for mixing well. Bet they didn't teach you than in school.

I go to a place called SpyHop, where they pay me to learn how and record, and to record my music and other peoples music, they even pay me to learn how and use **** around the studio.

Its a waste of money, even if its your dad's.
Old 7th January 2008
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I've worked with and hired quite a few over the past few years...

Some of them seem surprisingly un-educated...Duh, "What's a balanced cable?"

Some of them seem just okay...

And a select few I have recommended for more serious gigs. i.e. Assisting for Jus Blaze at Baseline Studios...Tracking and mixing for Beyonce and her soon to be released lil sister's album.

When I hire and recommend in the future I really won't consider where and when they went to school. Just if the know their stuff. I can usually tell pretty quick during an interview who B.S.ed their way through school.

Don't sweat it...but DO BE READY for the interview...especially if it's with me!
Old 7th January 2008
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Ok,

I have very harsh opinions about this industry of "music" I believe that 85-90% is all crap worse than used car sales!

I don't know much about FS, but I thing schools lie to get students. I really don't like that cheesy slick vibe I usually get when I deal with most slime ball industry types.dfegad

I live in the trenches making solid albums and I know my ****, I am not trying to be part of the sinister corporate audio world. Passion and sincerity are totally lacking in the industry.....
Old 8th January 2008
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As a matter of fact ...

I worked with one of the cutest grads I'm sure Full Sail has ever sent out into the world. She had the most beautiful breasts in the world and it was very distracting.
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