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Swooshy cymbals driving me INSANE!!!! Condenser Microphones
Old 28th December 2010
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Swooshy cymbals driving me INSANE!!!!

I'm using 3 "techinques" Glyn Johns, Rudy Van Gelder and Recorderman. All the measurements are correct for phase issues.

I want to use no more than 4 mics. I have an SM57 on the snare, a Behringer XM 8500 on the Kick and 2 AKG perception 100 large condensor's on the overheads.

The drum set sounds great with no EQ needed except the crash cymbals. They sound swooshy, not clean and even. You can hear the waves of the cymbal as it moves. I've tried angling them, putting them flat, hitting them soft etc, moving the mic's up and down....Is it the room or am I overlooking something?....
Old 28th December 2010
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phase.
Old 28th December 2010
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Originally Posted by mojorisen View Post
I'm using 3 "techinques" Glyn Johns, Rudy Van Gelder and Recorderman. All the measurements are correct for phase issues.

I want to use no more than 4 mics. I have an SM57 on the snare, a Behringer XM 8500 on the Kick and 2 AKG perception 100 large condensor's on the overheads.

The drum set sounds great with no EQ needed except the crash cymbals. They sound swooshy, not clean and even. You can hear the waves of the cymbal as it moves. I've tried angling them, putting them flat, hitting them soft etc, moving the mic's up and down....Is it the room or am I overlooking something?....
Do they sound like that to you in the actual room when you play them? Have you tried different cymbals?

Sometimes microphones just pick up the truth of a thing in a way you hadn't noticed before.

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Old 28th December 2010
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[Also, side note: I was unaware any of Van Gelder's techniques were documented. I thought he was a man of mystery.]

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Old 28th December 2010
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AKG perception 100 ? COME ON MAN !!! nasty.
Old 28th December 2010
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It could be phasing issues, and it could be very likely that the overhead mics are just too close to the cymbals. How close is the diaphragm of the mic to the top of the problem cymbal? Why is this in moan zone, it's a legit engineering technique question.
Old 28th December 2010
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It could be phasing; also, from the drummer's perspective, don't hit the cymbals as hard as you would if you were performing on stage.
Old 28th December 2010
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Assuming cymbals sound properly:

Check cymbals are not being picked from diferent sides with the OH mics.
Meaning when you hit them and they move, the mics are always picking the same side of the cymbal.

With those techniques, this seems specially possible in the R OH (drummer's perspective). Can you hear the efect in solo?? If you can only hear it listening to both OH, try looking for another spot, check again distances, etc.

Cheers!
Old 6th January 2011
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I get that when mics are placed are placed close to the edge of a cymbal. When the cymbal is hit, the up and down movement of the cymbal makes an oscillating sound as the sound picked up reflects the sound from under the cymbal to sound from the top.
Old 6th January 2011
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It could be phase but it could also be coming off the ceiling. How is the room treated? How far is the mic from the ceiling?? Is the ceiling treated?? Do you have other walls that are close to the mic??
Old 6th January 2011
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Yes, try moving the walls farther away from the mic and see if that helps.
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Yes, try moving the walls farther away from the mic and see if that helps.
LMAO. That's your best one in a while Joel... heh
Old 7th January 2011
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too much motion in the cymbal when hit will cause the swoosh. it's kind of like standing near a door and hearing the incoming sound as its being opened and closed. tighten the nut.

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Old 7th January 2011
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Yes, try moving the walls farther away from the mic and see if that helps.

Ha. Very funny. Would it not be best to keep the walls moving whilst recording though? Surley this would elimate the build up of standing waves.
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