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Old 20th December 2010
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non-stop lamenting about modern music not being any good or whatever

So between this: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...leased_in_2010, and the literally tens of thousands of under-the-radar albums listed this year, y'all can't find a single musician, huh. Rather listen to the white album again. Great, congrats. Gtfo of the music biz imo


Edit: only applies to a select few of you on this thread, obviously
Old 20th December 2010
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That's not quite what the "select few" are saying SleepingBag.

A bit less of the overzealous facepalming and gtfo's might help keep this discussion out of the bin
Old 20th December 2010
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In my mind, technical skill doesn't have to be synonymous with whatever it is that makes music "good" in a given person's opinion.
That is true, it's soul that makes something stand out.
Miles Davis was not technically skilled by the standards of a fully trained and skilled horn player these days and back then as well, yet people shut up when he played a note.

Is it only about pop music? I don't know, music is music to me and I can appreciate and like it in all kinds of shapes, well if it's only about pop music what makes me mad that everything seems to be about this pop-music, and what is this pop music?
And what happened to MTV??? that used to be a music channel, don't see much of that anymore, they used to have pretty good variety of music clips they would offer, from very popular to downright strange artists, they had thought provoking and stimulating bumpers and animations in between, now it has become a reality soap channel and product placement channel focussing on the most inane of human behaviour.
Some of these modern clips I wonder if they shot it solely for the purpose of demonstrating the latest phone model.
Old 20th December 2010
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I should have written "mainstream music", as that's the impression I got from the thread. I didn't mean "pop" in the way that it's become it's own sub-genre of mainstream music.

We can't discuss music outside of the mainstream as easily (as if any subjective discussion is easy), so I guess I assumed that "mainstream" was more on topic regarding the OP.
Old 20th December 2010
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Miles Davis was not technically skilled by the standards of a fully trained and skilled horn player these days and back then as well, yet people shut up when he played a note.
And there were kids in the 70s and are kids now who can shred harder/faster/for longer/blablablabla.....than Page or Clapton or Hendrix...........yet I don't give a monkey's about what they have to say with their instruments......
Old 20th December 2010
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So between this: List of albums released in 2010, and the literally tens of thousands of under-the-radar albums listed this year, y'all can't find a single musician, huh. Rather listen to the white album again. Great, congrats. Gtfo of the music biz imo


Edit: only applies to a select few of you on this thread, obviously
well there are a few artists and albums in there I like very much, now the white album isn't by far my favourite but I'd prefer it to many in that list as well.

Heck music is still alive and well, but as Katz said opportunities for music much less.
music lessons are cut back everywhere in schools, and every year you read in the paper of a classical or chambre orchestra getting it's fundings cut.
I hear it's not uncommon in the USA to pay to play bars & venues well over here up until the beginning of 2000's every bar was happy to pay to have a band to play on saturday, and gigging culture to the smallest level was alive and well in every city, it's thinned out a bit and the saturday night act got replaced by the DJ playing tracks, and now the DJ is getting replaced in most places by a computer system playing tracks.
Old 20th December 2010
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That's not quite what the "select few" are saying SleepingBag.

A bit less of the overzealous facepalming and gtfo's might help keep this discussion out of the bin
I understand I should probably be more civil, but it's honestly ridiculous to hear someone who's likely bought zero albums this year and has zero knowledge of current music tell me that artists today just don't have what it takes... There's just no good response for such a stupid and willfully ignorant statement. If you bought 300 albums in the 70's when you were a teenager vs. 0 albums in the 2000's, guess which ones you're gonna hold in higher regard? I totally understand that, but feel free to keep your opinions about things you know literally nothing about to yourself. Talking mainly to katz here
Old 20th December 2010
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uh, go back to sleep! (dream on!).
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That is true, it's soul that makes something stand out.
Miles Davis was not technically skilled by the standards of a fully trained and skilled horn player these days and back then as well, yet people shut up when he played a note.

Is it only about pop music? I don't know, music is music to me and I can appreciate and like it in all kinds of shapes, well if it's only about pop music what makes me mad that everything seems to be about this pop-music, and what is this pop music?
And what happened to MTV??? that used to be a music channel, don't see much of that anymore, they used to have pretty good variety of music clips they would offer, from very popular to downright strange artists, they had thought provoking and stimulating bumpers and animations in between, now it has become a reality soap channel and product placement channel focussing on the most inane of human behaviour.
Some of these modern clips I wonder if they shot it solely for the purpose of demonstrating the latest phone model.
Beavis and Butthead aren't around to EDIT all the sludge that's streaming now.
Old 20th December 2010
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I understand I should probably be more civil, but it's honestly ridiculous to hear someone who's likely bought zero albums this year and has zero knowledge of current music tell me that artists today just don't have what it takes...

I understand that you were not addressing me sleepingbag, but I will say that I probably spend more a month on music (cds/vinyl/dvds) than most people pay on food (even rent)!

(and I have the pile of empty Amazon boxes and record store receipts to prove it)

Of course most of what I purchase was recorded in the 20th century. heh But I'm always on the look-out for new bands/artists/music and am thrilled when I discover a new group or artist that is making cool new music. I'm a musician and a music consumer.

And I've never downloaded music/software that's been pirated. Ever. I think anyone who steals any creative "content" is beyond contempt.

I have thousands of records and cds in my ever growing music "collection". I'm extremely loyal to bands/artists I adore and see as many live shows as possible. I also support local bands with a passion.

I do get a lot of free stuff (pre-releases/promos/guest listed/merch etc.) too, but I always sponsor my fellow artists. We have to take care of each other, because nobody else will!

But unlike a lot of the music/audio "dabblers" out there (and even here on GS ) I actually make a living as an audio professional. So I do have a stake in this whole mess.

I have to do way more crap work (television and radio commercials and other unspeakable audio "work") than exciting art (bands/artists/my own crap) to make enough $ to pay a mortgage and feed my Gearslutz habit than I used to, but it does allows me to live the semi-posh lifestyle that I've grown accustomed to and also to... BUY MUSIC! heh

And I often use my "profits" to fund other "lossy" projects. If you're cool and talented and low on funds, I will probably help you out. I've actually lost money to record people because I believed in their "vision" and wanted to help out other artists in this nasty, vicious business we call "show".

I had a lot of generous help and mentoring when I was starting out, so I feel that you gotta pay forward.

I've never been in it for the $, but going from making a $100.00 an hour to sometimes barely making that a day is a big drop. It basically costs me a $100.00 a day just to be poor! That's why my girly still has to work a crap job while going to school. That and health insurance...

I'm lucky, I was able to get on a few big projects that allowed me to buy a house and nice equipment. I'm not in debt for gear (thank Zeus!) and I do get some royalties. But they aren't enough to fund a decent drug habit, much less enough to retire and say "fu#k all ya'll!"

But the reason I'm spewing all this "info" is because I've dedicated my entire life to a career in an industry that is dying because of illegal downloads and shrinking customer demand, so it is crucial that things get better. For all of us!

And I do believe they will!

But then again, I'm a hope junkie...












Old 20th December 2010
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There have often been good and bad periods in art. There is almost no great classical music from the 20th Century, not much good British rock 'n' roll before 1963. No one wants to be told they're growing up in a ****ty era for music or that their parents had a better time than they did, but in this case I'm afraid it's true.
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There have often been good and bad periods in art. There is almost no great classical music from the 20th Century, not much good British rock 'n' roll before 1963. No one wants to be told they're growing up in a ****ty era for music or that their parents had a better time than they did, but in this case I'm afraid it's true.
I get and agree wholeheartedly with your overall point BUT...

Ravel
Rachmaninoff
Mahler
Stravinsky
Debussy
Schoenberg


Just sayin'!
Old 20th December 2010
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Oh and in case anyone disagrees with me here's a challenge. This is a list of my favourite twenty five acts from the 1960's. Now you put your favourite twenty five acts from 2000-2010 and then ask yourself honestly which set of records you'd prefer to take to a desert island.

The Beatles
The Who
The Stones
The Kinks
Jimi Hendrix Experience
Otis Redding
Bob Dylan
Aretha Franklin
The Velvet Underground
The Beach Boys
The Byrds
Led Zeppelin
James Brown
Creedence Clearwater Revival
The Doors
Dusty Springfield
Serge Gainsbourg
Jacques Brel
Santana
Jefferson Airplane
Booker T and the MGs
Pink Floyd
Love
Buffalo Springfield
The Stooges
Old 20th December 2010
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I get and agree wholeheartedly with your overall point BUT...

Ravel
Rachmaninoff
Mahler
Stravinsky
Debussy
Schoenberg


Just sayin'!
Ok but none were born in the 20th Century.
Old 20th December 2010
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Likable musicians doesn't mean that they are any good. And that's really all I have to say other than - I am not moved but what I hear these days - the drama isn't there, the passion is missing. I'm not sure where it has gone. I'm open to the fact that I'm not looking in the right places. I'm pretty sure I've heard the length and breadth of all musical forms at this point - perhaps you could throw me a lifeline that might be anchored in solid and profound musical expression. I feel like I'm sinking.
I have to catch an airplane in a few hours and can't find sleep right now even when I should but I honestly will post a few links here before your submarine hits the ground
Old 20th December 2010
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This is more of an ageing population issue.

1960sumfin... my grandma, in her thirties, had to much to do to be bothered with music. Sure she had her old favourites but Elvis was pissing her off. Besides she was broke.

1980sumfin.. my mother had snuck out to see Elvis and had pretty much for-filled her musical dream. Sure she liked some of the more laid back pop, and in her 30's was even getting into that cheesy as hell "Robert Palmer" video Simply irresistible. She wasn't as broke.

2010.. I'm in my 30's standing here with all the cash. I've heard probably a zillion good cd's and can't be stuffed with Itunes. Anything I really want I can download in FlaC.

iWAnt mORWE mooziC mE wONT SToP tHE ROCCIN
so NO im NOT bUYING sHI%^ COLDPlay OR piNK CEEDEES I'VE SEEN AND HERd it all LOL
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There is almost no great classical music from the 20th Century
Whoa there brother!

I usually agree with you on a lot of stuff but there is much incredible "classical" (actually modern composition) music that was made in the 20th century.

Just cause most orchestras have to saw through the old "classics" that have been done to death worse than even 'Stairway To Heaven' does not mean that there haven't been great composers of 20th century symphonic works.

It's just that these cats are so far ahead of their time to fully be appreciated yet. Probably way after we're dead they will be as big as Bach, Beethoven and Mozart!

Here are just a few:

Edgar Varese
Frank Zappa
Charles Ives
Luciano Berio
Pierre Boulez
Pierre Schaeffer
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Luigi Nono
Igor Stravinsky
George Gershwin
Olivier Messiaen
Arnold Schoenberg
Pauline Oliveros
Laurie Anderson
Giacinto Scelsi
Julia Wolfe
Etc. etc.


In fact, I'm friends with a young, up-and-coming Welsh composer named Maja Palser who is fuc#king amazing!

Check her out. She is a very talented and promising young composer.

Maja Palser on Myspace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Videos








heh
Old 20th December 2010
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The Beatles
The Who
The Stones
The Kinks
Jimi Hendrix Experience
Otis Redding
Bob Dylan
Aretha Franklin
The Velvet Underground
The Beach Boys
The Byrds
Led Zeppelin
James Brown
Creedence Clearwater Revival
The Doors
Dusty Springfield
Serge Gainsbourg
Jacques Brel
Santana
Jefferson Airplane
Booker T and the MGs
Pink Floyd
Love
Buffalo Springfield
The Stooges

All of these bands/artists are essential! Excellent list.

And yet there are so many more I could also list that you left off.

But there is not enough time or space to get them all in!







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So between this: List of albums released in 2010, and the literally tens of thousands of under-the-radar albums listed this year, y'all can't find a single musician, huh. Rather listen to the white album again. Great, congrats. Gtfo of the music biz imo


Edit: only applies to a select few of you on this thread, obviously
I just checked that list, and while there are one or two fair to middling ones, I would much, much prefer to listen to the White Album than any of them, and I make no apologies for the fact. Which one of those do you think is superior?
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But making lists is fun!

So here are just some of the best that the 20th century has/had to offer:

The Residents
Frank Zappa And The Mothers
King Crimson
Gentle Giant
Brian Eno
Talking Heads
Cheap Trick
George Clinton
Parliament/Funkadelic
Camel
Caravan
They Might Be Giants
Iggy Pop
T.Rex
Jellyfish
Procol Harum
Joan Armatrading
Hatfield and The North
Heldon
Univers Zero
Steely Dan
Robert Fripp
Kraftwerk
Carla Bley
Faust
Can
Herbie Hancock
Wayne Shorter
Miles Davis
Pink Floyd
Elvis Costello
Blondie
Queen
The Knack
Guided By Voices
Tangerine Dream
Patti Smith
Patsy Cline
Yes
Phish
Captain Beefeart (RIP)
Tammy Wynett
Tom Petty
Negativland
Loud Reed
Alex Chilton
Big Star
Blue Oyster Cult
The Kinks
David Bowie
Thomas Dolby
Mouse On Mars
Music From the Penguin Cafe (and Orchestra)
Be Bop Deluxe
The dB's
Dukes of Stratosphear
The Ramones
King Sunny Adé
Utopia
Devo
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
Soft Machine
Holger Czukay
Jethro Tull
Robin Trower
The New Pornographers
Meatbeat Manifesto
The Loud Family
Scott Walker
Christian Marclay
Self
The Posies
Shoes
Hank Williams
Sparks
The Legendary Pink Dots
Aphex Twin
The The
Bill Nelson
XTC
Gong
Genesis
Peter Gabriel
Kate Bush
Todd Rundgren
Julian Cope
Radiohead
Super Furry Animals


And very many more that I cannot think of right now.heh


But seriously... can any freakin' band or artist of the 21st century even begin to compare to the musical greatness and diversity of the music listed on here?

I'll be waiting...

















Old 20th December 2010
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I'm the same with music as I am with books and films. I hate almost all of it but the stuff I love is what makes it a little easier to keep living. There's nothing wrong with only liking exactly what you like whether it's old or new.
I think the main difference with music today though is how quickly any new genre, movement or idea is exploited by advertising and corporate culture. Things often get their credibility pounded out of them before you have time to grill a cheese sandwich. You could blame Portishead for most of the lame "chill" movement but it doesn't mean Portishead weren't an incredible band.

It's subjective enough arguing about gear on this forum let alone the music itself.
Old 20th December 2010
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i didn't necessarily start this thread with only mainstream music in mind, and i definitely don't listen to mainstream/radio music primarily. but when i do, i'm almost always impressed by the production and fairly often impressed by the song and the performance

i do want to reply to this list because i hope it might kind of illustrate for you the perspective i'm coming from:

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But making lists is fun!

So here are just some of the best that the 20th century has/had to offer:

The Residents
Frank Zappa And The Mothers
King Crimson
Gentle Giant
Brian Eno
Talking Heads
Cheap Trick
George Clinton
Parliament/Funkadelic
Camel
Caravan
They Might Be Giants
Iggy Pop
T.Rex
Jellyfish
Procol Harum
Joan Armatrading
Hatfield and The North
Heldon
Univers Zero
Steely Dan
Robert Fripp
Kraftwerk
Carla Bley
Faust
Can
Herbie Hancock
Wayne Shorter
Miles Davis
Pink Floyd
Elvis Costello
Blondie
Queen
The Knack
Guided By Voices
Tangerine Dream
Patti Smith
Patsy Cline
Yes
Phish
Captain Beefeart (RIP)
Tammy Wynett
Tom Petty
Negativland
Loud Reed
Alex Chilton
Big Star
Blue Oyster Cult
The Kinks
David Bowie
Thomas Dolby
Mouse On Mars
Music From the Penguin Cafe (and Orchestra)
Be Bop Deluxe
The dB's
Dukes of Stratosphear
The Ramones
King Sunny Adé
Utopia
Devo
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
Soft Machine
Holger Czukay
Jethro Tull
Robin Trower
The New Pornographers
Meatbeat Manifesto
The Loud Family
Scott Walker
Christian Marclay
Self
The Posies
Shoes
Hank Williams
Sparks
The Legendary Pink Dots
Aphex Twin
The The
Bill Nelson
XTC
Gong
Genesis
Peter Gabriel
Kate Bush
Todd Rundgren
Julian Cope
Radiohead
Super Furry Animals


And very many more that I cannot think of right now.heh
i'm not trying to take away from any of these bands and artists!!! and actually, i'm hugely influenced by more of them than you might think, for a 25-yr old from the states who listens primarily to hip hop these days

in particular, i intimately know and love the music of most of the canterbury and krautrock bands on your list. my dad was really into early genesis and when i started seriously getting into music after listening to nothing but punk and 'alternative' for many years, i started with prog; branched out into many of the weird subgenres of prog and experimental/'art' rock; then later, fusion, avant-pop, brit-rock and shoegaze, indie rock, etc. i'm pretty familiar with a lot of the weird folds of rock music, a lot of the soul and rnb dudes, funk, jazz (no mingus, btw?), and most of the other stuff up there

particular favorites of mine from your list include genesis + peter gabriel, soft machine, hatfield and the north, can, t-rex, sparks, kate bush, scott walker, and xtc. these are all bands/artists who i'd be thrilled to get into very detailed conversations with you about. along with plenty of others on that list, they're definitely among my favorite artists and likely always will be, even though i don't listen to any of them nearly as much as i used to

so yeah, i kind of want you to see that i am not coming from a position of ignorance here; i'd say i know more of the obscure gems on that list than nearly anyone i know and probably many people on GS

now, what separates the artists on that list from the artists around now? why are self and SFA and radiohead and aphex twin and all the other artists active at the tail end of the 20th century the cutoff for you here? do you think that nothing coming out now measures up to even the guys making incredible records as recently as the late 90's?

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But seriously... can any freakin' band or artist of the 21st century even begin to compare to the musical greatness and diversity of the music listed on here?

I'll be waiting...
again, not trying to say that those artists aren't great, but yeah, there's no question that >of course< new artists can compare and if you keep an open enough mind, will be sitting right there on that list with the rest of them, once you find your favorites


since you gave me a list, i'll give you one as well. it won't be as long, because i'm only going to be talking about a ten year period rather than a multiple-decade era, and also because i want to provide some description for everything as opposed to a big useless list of things you probably aren't incredibly familiar with, but here are a handful albums released since the year 2000 that i think are easily among the greatest records of all time*, and as someone who has a lot in common with my tastes, i'd recommend checking out the ones you are intrigued by

Portishead - Third (2007) : speaking of portishead (see above post), this is their best album, and it was released after a ten year hiatus. doesn't sound much like their previous work, but rather draws from a ton of different influences, including several of the bands on your list. immaculately recorded, written, arranged, and performed; one of the best beginning-to-end listens of all time in my opinion
Owen Pallett - Heartland (2010) : released early this year. pallett is a violinist/pianist/singer/writer who puts on an amazing and challenging show, usually performing solo with nothing but a violin and a loop pedal, and doing so really well. i'd definitely run to go see him live if he comes to your city. this record i've probably listened to several dozen times this year at least. beautiful songs, great instrumentation, and kind of understated in a way until you start to get inside the music and analyze it.
The Dirty Projectors - Bitte Orca (2009) : analogous to hatfield and the north in some ways: complex parts (less complex arrangements/less 10+ minute songs than HatN but w/e), great musicianship, male and (often beautifully orchestrated) female vocals, odd sense of humor, etc. hard to describe and categorize. another band that puts on a great show
Manitoba - Up in Flames (2001) : in my constant rotation since it came out. amazingly layered kitchen sink 'pop', synths and bells and drum breaks and flutes and ethereal vocals and amazing music videos for nearly every track. music for all occasions. another one of my all time favorites
Mahogany - Connectivity! (2006) : carefully constructed jet-set songs that conjure up cities and technology and futurism and design. has a great album cover too. dreamy and blippy.
Battles - Mirrored (2007) : a must have for any musician, and especially any musician into prog, imo. perfect blend of human musicianship and technology-based innovation. and they pulled it all off live when i saw them in miami, in 2008; frantic drumming, insane real-time computer effects, both guitarists playing all the most complicated parts from the album with one hand on the fretboard and one hand on the keyboard, etc. might be a bit too kooky to appeal to everyone but should impress everyone. hope to hear more from these guys real soon even though one of the key members has left the band, iirc :(
Mastodon - Crack the Skye (2009) : the best accessible/crossover metal album i have ever heard. very proggy, no screaming, just amazing songs and riffs that i sincerely hope are influencing a whole new generation of musicians at this very moment. exceptional recording quality on this one too, i was just blown away with this album in every way
Parts and Labor - Mapmaker (2007) : super loud and noisy so possibly not for everyone, but another batch of great songs and intense musicianship (particularly from the drummer). the way i see this album, it's like a bunch of anthemic sounding folk songs hidden under 100's of dB of noise. one of my favorite discs but i could understand how this one might be too much to handle for some
Joan as Policewoman - Real Life (2006) : another album that's just plain beautiful in every aspect. interesting vocal performances, mostly piano driven, sounds great. give it a try, here: YouTube - Eternal Flame - Joan As Police Woman music video
Sparklehorse - Dreamt for Light Years in the Belly of the Mountain (2006) : this one grabbed me immediately, from the very first sound on the first song. i just instantly knew i'd love this album, and did right away. thumbsup a great example of new + old meeting in songwriting and production. absolutely love the production on this disc, total template for me when i'm working on songs with nostalgic chords/melodies kinda like the ones on here
Darwin Deez - Darwin Deez (2008) : i had to check out this disc after hearing it described as "dismemberment plan meets michael jackson"... woah! but i find myself more taken with the production, everything sounds warm and crisp and crystal clear and new, even the retro drum machines
Dr. Dog - Easy Beat (2005) : throwing some of y'all a bone. this pretty much sounds like a long lost beatles album imo. home recording, somewhat lo-fi. such great songs though


what is that, ten, eleven? that's all i care to write for now. there are many, many more i'm not listing or am forgetting (i guess the stuff from later in the decade is fresher in my mind, looking at the years on those), and then there are also a ton of discs that were great for a few plays or for a particular time in my life or what have you. it's freaking music! not everything is supposed to become as big as the stones or mj or kanye or whatever. but this is why i get so pissed at the idiots in this thread and elsewhere who just keep harping on the idea that everything after 19__ is garbage: they're just straight up wrong. i don't really care what their opinions of any of these albums are. i love them on a personal and musical level. and if you're not passionate about any of this music from this decade, then you're not passionate about music anymore and shouldn't be making it

but yeah, if anyone else wants to get in here with some more new music recs, that seems to me to be about the only decent direction this thread might take




* these are just my tastes, not trying to list mainstream giants of music because we all know who they are and most of them aren't among my personal favorites (though some are, but very few bands/'rock' artists)... also, i am not listing any hip hop on this list even though it's my favorite genre at the moment, just because i can already see the can of worms that would be on this thread
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Animal Collective
Deerhoof
Dirty Projectors (reiterated)
Cinematic Orchestra
Mars Volta
Battles (reiterated)
Efterklang
Sigur Ros
Nickel Creek
John Mayer
Oceansize
Broken Social Scene
Flying Lotus
Fennesz
Sufjan Stevens
Queens of the Stone Age
Sikth
Amon Tobin
Alva Noto
Jamie Lidell
Grizzly Bear
Bon Iver
Beach House
Bassekou Kouyate
Dillinger Escape Plan

Some of these slightly bridge the 20th/21st century line, but that's irrelevant as they're all primarily active post 2000.

There's so many more......but I can't be bothered to sit here all day typing for the benefit of the pessimists.

Also, purely because of the fact that the 2000-2010 decade is only just ending, there are going to be many many more artists worth mentioning here, that I've simply not heard yet heh

Anyway..........amazing music will never die, and I would much rather be stuck on a desert island with my list rather than vincentvangogo's
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. and if you're not passionate about any of this music from this decade, then you're not passionate about music anymore and shouldn't be making it
Man I get your stance which is quite allright actually, see if you use a bit more words and phrase nicely!
and I love to have a beer and talk Soft Machine with you, but what I quoted there is an absolute crap statement.

If I only liked Gamelan music and be passionate about that, it's my ****ing right to make as much of it as I please.

The fact that all kinds of music are suffering because the traditional musicians have taken a step back in popular culture because of virtual instruments, programming, DJ's, there is just not as much opportunity there. (who books a string quartet if they can get away with a synthesizer)
so the amount of people picking the path of mastering an old art will become slimmer as they will gravitate to making the things that are 'hip' now, where there might be still some money made and what sparks most 17 year olds, fame fortune & sex.
(I mean that was pretty obvious the time house DJ's & hip-hop scratch stuff regained popularity in the late 90's 14 year old kids would not go to the music store and pick up a guitar, but went to the electronic shop instead to get a set of turntables, mixer and headphone) I live in a very small city which still represents all aspects of modern society so it's pretty easy to see the changes, gigging culture went down, bars closed, now that's slightly coming back though)

Music shouldn't be about those things, i mean there's a lot more to it.
Best example I can think of is my brother, who was big in the States, reached number 1 in Japan, he always thought of his music as a commercial product, he could not care less about the art or any emotion he puts in there.
And he had this beautiful realization on a stage in the States in front of thousands of people (pretty freaky people) He told me he was playing and looked at the crowd and wondered what all these people where doing there, screaming there guts out, acting all crazy and ****, we are just playing you some beats and you all go ape****. He never acted like that in his own youth he said, and he could not figure out why the hell people would be like that, to me that showed that he realized that what he was offering to the public is not very profound and indeed made to provoke and prey on a certain aspect of human nature well with title's like 'rough sex' 'I sit on Acid' 'Heaven is an orgasm' and in the other projects lyrics like 'Breakfast in Vegas on cocaïne and gin' it was quite clear of course what the intend was.
Hey it worked! and hey it's crap!

There is just a lot of that around, which albums of today will stand next to the masters of previous time?? only time will tell, you'll only be able to know in 10 years if you still play that 2005 album as much as that '71 Soft Machine record?
Old 20th December 2010
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I'm the same with music as I am with books and films. I hate almost all of it but the stuff I love is what makes it a little easier to keep living. There's nothing wrong with only liking exactly what you like whether it's old or new.
I think the main difference with music today though is how quickly any new genre, movement or idea is exploited by advertising and corporate culture. Things often get their credibility pounded out of them before you have time to grill a cheese sandwich. You could blame Portishead for most of the lame "chill" movement but it doesn't mean Portishead weren't an incredible band.

It's subjective enough arguing about gear on this forum let alone the music itself.
There you go that's what is annoying as well, the ultra fast communication and reproduction, if anyone dares to come up with something nice and original in style, music or production, and it works the next week you have thousands of copycats drowning out the original, and this is somewhat normal but we get exposed to it much quicker, it's also much quicker to copy something these days, a real musicians music album like in the 'olden' days & without samplers takes a lot more time to produce and get to the realisation of it.

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Animal Collective
Deerhoof
Dirty Projectors (reiterated)
Cinematic Orchestra
Mars Volta
Battles (reiterated)
Efterklang
Sigur Ros
Nickel Creek
John Mayer
Oceansize
Broken Social Scene
Flying Lotus
Fennesz
Sufjan Stevens
Queens of the Stone Age
Sikth
Amon Tobin
Alva Noto
Jamie Lidell
Grizzly Bear
Bon Iver
Beach House
Bassekou Kouyate
Dillinger Escape Plan

Some of these slightly bridge the 20th/21st century line, but that's irrelevant as they're all primarily active post 2000.

There's so many more......but I can't be bothered to sit here all day typing for the benefit of the pessimists.

Also, purely because of the fact that the 2000-2010 decade is only just ending, there are going to be many many more artists worth mentioning here, that I've simply not heard yet heh

Anyway..........amazing music will never die, and I would much rather be stuck on a desert island with my list rather than vincentvangogo's
There's some stuff in there I really like...
but I'd still go with Vincents list to the Island,
James Brown is the only guy who can really get me on the dancefloor
and If I could take the Velvet, Jimi & Gainsbourg with me I would be ultra-happy (and this is all POP-music)
If I could take some collected works of Reich I would be most happy to see the sun come up and down with those in the background, add the first album of the Penguin café orchestra for when I'm sad and JJ Cale's Troubadour to drink my coconut fermented Island brew and chill with heh
If I was on an island I could do without crazy music, like free-jazz, industrial things, or weird fast paced electronics... that's city music and to deal with those surroundings.
and a solar powered record player is also a must.
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Well I think we've all sufficiently demonstrated the futility of this discussion Regardless of how famous the peeps on vincent's list are, I don't like many of them. I don't even like Hendrix very much tbh (oh the blasphemy!), or the Stones, Kinks, Stooges, B Dylan, or even James Brown...........times change, people change, artistic aesthetics change.........new people are born who don't have emotional ties to past pop-culture, and this has consequences........and thankfully so imo.

People can say that mainstream/commercial music sucks atm all they like and I won't bother to argue (imo a huge amount of it sucked in past decades as well), but as soon as they try and extend that statement to include the incredible variety of different musical sensibilities and directions that are sprouting all over the world, I'll strongly disagree.
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Yes indeed it's kind of futile, as you said the amount of different musical sensibilities... People get exposed to life and music in very different ways, tastes, acquired tastes, and ability as well, I mean a lot of people that are not musicians are tone-deaf and a-rhythmic, heck some musicians are as well heh
so who knows how they experience music.

so why record music if you don't like ties to past music & culture?
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Old 20th December 2010
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You can mock the "dinosaurs" all you want, but they will endure long after Kanye/Lady Ga Ga/Nickleback et al are forgotten.
To be completely fair I really like Lady Ga Ga...

But you have to be willingly deaf to not notice the drop off between then and now.
And I will concede stylistic reasons to have extensive sample replacement/autotunning/mapping to a grid (even though that sound gets more dated by the day), but I'll be damned if there is any stylistic merit to ultra-high RMS aside from the few songs that intentionally try to sound small/cramped.
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It's just that these cats are so far ahead of their time to fully be appreciated yet. Probably way after we're dead they will be as big as Bach, Beethoven and Mozart!

Frank Zappa
It'll take people another 50 years to get past the lyrics to even notice the instrumental songs, but 100% true!

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George Gershwin
Hell yeah.

Let's toss a John Williams on the pile too.
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