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I hate those meeses to pieces!
Old 6th June 2003
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Unhappy I hate those meeses to pieces!

As if it wasn't bad enough tracking down the occasional cricket that finds it's way indoors, for the last few months I've had serious mouse (no, not the BLUE kind) infestation.

I can hear them in the walls at night, and the whole place is starting to smell like mouse excerement. I've tried glue traps, poison, etc. but the damn things are smart. When they see one of their buddies caught, the rest learn to avoid the traps. I tried a bunch of those ultrasonic devices that plug into wall sockets, but they're a joke - they do nada.

People keep telling me to get a cat, but I know a lot of vocalists are allergic to cat hair. Maybe I should try ferrets. Or just get a bottle of ferret piss and sprinkle it around and see if the smell freaks the mice into leaving...

Anyone else had to deal with this?
Old 6th June 2003
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You've got to keep the place remarkably clean.

Cats are the best. If you bathe the cats once per week, then chances are that no one will notice they are there but to get a cat used to bathing you have to start when they're young. So, you're waiting for kittens to grow into the role of mouser.

Poison is good but you can't use it if you have cats. Sometimes, mice can seem to develop a tolerance to poison.

One thing that some Okies use is instant potato powder on a paper plate next to a little saucer of water. It causes fatal bloating.

Steve, www.mojopie.com
Old 6th June 2003
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cats are seriously good for this problem. i have FOUR cats. i love the little buggers. yes the allergy thing is a problem for some people. although if you vacuum regularly and brush the cats then most of the time only people with really serious allergies will notice it. i guess you should weigh up how many of your clients you are gonna lose coz of the cat allergies, versus how many you will lose coz your studio smells like ****!

i like the instant potato idea too!
Old 6th June 2003
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Don´t bath your cats or dogs unless it would be inevitably necessary for any reason!!

I had a white cat for many years where even highly allergic people would not react. They could hardly believe it themselves, but although it was a long hair cat and always some hair flowing around none of the allergic folks ever had a problem.

It had been known before that the stuff that is the cause for allergic people´s symptoms is contented in the cats saliva and spread from there over the coat.
Not too long ago it was also found out that the brighter the colour of the cat the less of that allergic component is to be found in the saliva.

Thus with a white cat you mustn´t expect probs to your clients, less even if you brush her regularly.

But should you decide to get one it would be decent to first read a bunch of serious / scientific literature about this species to gain knowledge. It is not like many think, without the reveals of specialists one knows plain nothing about cats, rather than just believing to know.

All domesticated animals suffer from mistreatment of common mislead ideas about their kinds, but most unknown of them all are cats.
And cats behaviour is very much apart of our way of reception.

Without reading one wouldn´t come to the idea that letting a dog "shake hands", respectively grabbing his paw every time means punishment and subjugation to him ( without seeing any immidiate reason, thus getting neurotic ). Much less one would ever get aware of facts like that when a cat wants to show you sympathy and respect it will turn her sight away from you ( turn her back towards you ) and similar habits far away from human ones.

Similarily about feeding. Don´t give a cat cheese ( it will make her lose smelling abilities ) and even lesser milk ( makes her flop and lose nutrients.) If you want her to die early give her rest of your own food with fat, salt and sugar and let her go outside in an average urban environment.

Cats let outside become 2 years old in average, household ones around five years. Kept appropriate you have a dear friend who will show you much more feedback, intelligence and friendship than you ever expected from such an animal and it will get over twenty years old without problem. ( The white cat mentioned above, meanwhile living with an ex girl friend is 21 years of age now. )

The oldest housecat documented reached 35 years.

Sorry for long post.

Ruphus
Old 6th June 2003
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Re: I hate those meeses to pieces!

If you see one in white high heels, call her minnie.
Old 6th June 2003
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Over the years I've had more than my share of mice problems. What really upset me though was when one got into my board and ate through the wiring on my automated faders. I had been using poison up to that point and it got one every now and then but after that I went on a crusade to get the buggers once and for all. No need to tell everything that didn't work, but what finally did do the job was the simple old fashioned mousetrap...but with the new permanent bait installed. Look for the ones with the little piece of plastic "cheese" on them and give them a try. I don't know about your mice, but mine are field mice that get in under the old part of my studio and work their way into my main studio...anyway, these "out of town Jaspers" think that this artifial bait stuff is real special and they go for it in a big way. I tried all the other ones first (including the "humane" catch and release ones), and none of them worked . But when they started taking out equipment....well, that meant war..and this approach has got them under control around here. Best of luck, Rick
Old 6th June 2003
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Traps with peanut butter,

hmm cat allergy? Dog allergy

Folks with serious allergies should take pills with em IMHO.

I like cats - cat hairs get to me at times, faced with a situation like this I would pop down to the store and get some antihistamines or would bring some the next day..

Short haired cat might be advisable.. but point taken with the long haired non sneezy cat, I think I had one one time & it was light colored too...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rick Sutton
No need to tell everything that didn't work, but what finally did do the job was the simple old fashioned mousetrap...but with the new permanent bait installed. Look for the ones with the little piece of plastic "cheese" on them and give them a try.
Rick:

I haven't seen these. You happen to have a manufacturer's name so that i can track some down?

Everyone else:

Thanks for the ideas. May try the potato thing. Did the peanut butter - the mice eventually learned to avoid it. I have to constantly change the bait type (as they wise up) to have a chance at catching anything. I've done peanut butter, oatmeal, popcorn, sesame seeds, etc.

I don't think i can realistically go with a cat. Already have the little dog, you see, and responsibility for one animal is about all I can handle right now. At six pounds, she's small enough that she can fly on planes with me under the seat. Sucks at catching mice though... Ironically that breed was originally created to catch mice. She refuses to be stereotyped though.

Maybe I'll have to shut down for a week and let some pro set off a smart bomb...
Old 6th June 2003
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Re: Re: I hate those meeses to pieces!

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Originally posted by Renie
If you see one in white high heels, call her minnie.
actually, the shoes are yellow, generally....




Old 6th June 2003
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Well I'll be...!!!

heh
Old 6th June 2003
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The traps are made by Victor (Woodstream Corp, Lititz, PA) and are the traditional wooden plank with wire snap mechanism. The bait area is about 1" square plastic formed to look like yellow Swiss cheese. I got them at the grocery store in a pack of 4 for just a couple of bucks or so. The outside of the plastic wrap says "Victor easy Set". I was told that the plastic has a ferromone or similar odor on it that attracts them....works here. I heard about them from a friend who had a very bad mouse problem in the barn type building that he builds guitars in. He was unable to handle the smell, mess and damage that the mice caused until he tried these. Anyway, Victor is the old standby mousetrap (with this new twist) that should be available in your area....if not, PM me and we'll figure out how to get some to you. Best of luck, Rick
Old 6th June 2003
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I Live in a 1896 3000 sq.ft house, I too have had to deal w/little buggers
I have a moucing cat, tried traditional traps, no worky.
Buddy told me how to make the "Hillbilly trap"
5 gal. bucket, put two small holes in the sides at top across from each other,run piece of coat hanger(straight piece)though one hole,put through something that will spin good,soup can w/out top and bottom,I used an old Otari pinch roller w/roller bearings, anything that will spin. run though other hole, bend ends so it won't come out,fill half way with water, coat spinner with peanut butter(really smelly ,last along time,very good mouse attractor).
make ramp up to edge of bucket.mice will lean in to get pb.spinner spins , mice drown.
1st bucket=9 mice
2nd bucket=4mice
3 rd bucket =0 mice
two years ago
Old 7th June 2003
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You are right, mice are pretty damn smart. To catch and eradicate mice, you have to THINK like a mouse.

BE the mouse.

Mice operate at night, so it's worth staying up one night in a room you know they invade. For atmosphere, sometimes I like to sit in a big leather chair smoking a cig, with a loaded 9MM on the armrest. Cool vibe.

But seriously, sit in the room quietly after lights out and wait. They will come out, and follow paths. You can find out where the access holes are and patch them up (use steel wool or spray-foam filler stuff). After a time you will have all the access holes plugged except one, the ONLY one.

That's when the fun begins. When they come out, they only have one place to exit, so wait until they're far into the room... then...

WHACK the **** out of them with a heavy broom. While partially stunned, GRAB 'em with a pair of steak tongs, then do with them what you will. I took mine out into the alley and gave them a stern lecture, and some advice. Then, I winged 'em into my neighbors yard (asshole).

Slowly but surely you can take them all out this way, and plug the holes. Years of living in Chicago apartments taught me this technique, plus it's psychologically gratifying. But, whatever you do, get rid of them, then clean the **** out of your space because that feces dries up and causes nasty respiratory ****.
Old 7th June 2003
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Re: Re: Re: I hate those meeses to pieces!

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actually, the shoes are yellow, generally....




Funny how she changed from looking like an annoying nagging female to ms. pretty.
Old 7th June 2003
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Originally posted by heinz
You are right, mice are pretty damn smart. To catch and eradicate mice, you have to THINK like a mouse.

BE the mouse.

Mice operate at night, so it's worth staying up one night in a room you know they invade. For atmosphere, sometimes I like to sit in a big leather chair smoking a cig, with a loaded 9MM on the armrest. Cool vibe.

But seriously, sit in the room quietly after lights out and wait. They will come out, and follow paths. You can find out where the access holes are and patch them up (use steel wool or spray-foam filler stuff). After a time you will have all the access holes plugged except one, the ONLY one.

That's when the fun begins. When they come out, they only have one place to exit, so wait until they're far into the room... then...

WHACK the **** out of them with a heavy broom. While partially stunned, GRAB 'em with a pair of steak tongs, then do with them what you will. I took mine out into the alley and gave them a stern lecture, and some advice. Then, I winged 'em into my neighbors yard (asshole).

Slowly but surely you can take them all out this way, and plug the holes. Years of living in Chicago apartments taught me this technique, plus it's psychologically gratifying. But, whatever you do, get rid of them, then clean the **** out of your space because that feces dries up and causes nasty respiratory ****.

Hey that's an intelligent idea. Only semi abusive and only potentially murderous.
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Quote:
Originally posted by heinz
You are right, mice are pretty damn smart. To catch and eradicate mice, you have to THINK like a mouse.

BE the mouse.

Mice operate at night, so it's worth staying up one night in a room you know they invade. For atmosphere, sometimes I like to sit in a big leather chair smoking a cig, with a loaded 9MM on the armrest. Cool vibe.

But seriously, sit in the room quietly after lights out and wait. They will come out, and follow paths. You can find out where the access holes are and patch them up (use steel wool or spray-foam filler stuff). After a time you will have all the access holes plugged except one, the ONLY one.

That's when the fun begins. When they come out, they only have one place to exit, so wait until they're far into the room... then...

WHACK the **** out of them with a heavy broom. While partially stunned, GRAB 'em with a pair of steak tongs, then do with them what you will. I took mine out into the alley and gave them a stern lecture, and some advice. Then, I winged 'em into my neighbors yard (asshole).

Slowly but surely you can take them all out this way, and plug the holes. Years of living in Chicago apartments taught me this technique, plus it's psychologically gratifying. But, whatever you do, get rid of them, then clean the **** out of your space because that feces dries up and causes nasty respiratory ****.
I Like your way, Heinz
Old 7th June 2003
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What takes the bisquit is when you have had a trap out for a few days, and the damn thing is surrounded by mouse droppings. Theyve obviously been sitting around there discussing it amongst them selves...

There once was the comedy situation that I bought a humain mouse trap - not really wanting to kill them, set it up, and left it or a few days. No joy. I went on hoilday for two weeks, forgetting about it, only to find when Id come back that no one else in the house had been checking it, and one poor little feller starved to death and was starting to stink the place out. Kind of defets the point of a humain trap...
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What takes this bisquit is when you have had a trap out for a few days, and the damn thing is surrounded by mouse droppings. Theve obviously been sitting there discussing it amongst them selves...
I laughed to tears with this. heh heh heh

They are really smart. I find it interesting how even animals that live only for a short time are equiped with so much intelligence. ( I´m sure the term "intelligence" will have to be newly discussed soon, - hadn´t been defined yet anyway.)

When you think of a raven that gets up to 100 years old, ok, but mice and octopus too which achieve only around two years...

The newest finding is that mouse who live in the forest set up flashy items as signs in order to orient in bigger areas.
Old 10th June 2003
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Loved the Heinz' scenario!!! Though would have opted for the Uzi...much more firepower.

Cats....kittens have to be shown how to hunt by their moms.There are rare cases where it comes natural or they learn over a long period of time when exposed to vermin regularly.However most wont kill when properly fed as they dont have a clue that mice and other things are food too.They will however, deter the population from growing quickly.Its the law of the jungle.When animal populations rub elbows in a particular area, the prey animals will have fewer litters when there is a large presense of hunter types.All my kats are gone now.Two died this last year and I really miss em.One was a big tabby Manx.He caught one mouse in his lifetime(15 years) only because it got caught in the dogfood bag and couldnt get out.He could take a bird in flight if it swooped down below 8 feet or so but no mice.The other was a long yellow tabby who would kill any and all vermin in his territory. When we moved to this rural setting we are in now, he had become lethargic because t his last house he had simply rid the entire neighborhood of every living rodent including the neighbors hamster that had gotten out("Well how come its DEAD on YOUR BACK pORCH!!??")..When we got here he became the hunter again and every sign of mice or rat or any vermin dissappereared in about three weeks(the wife was very happy)...But this was taught to him by his mother cat as she was an outdoors kitty and a hunter too.
As for allergies and cats.Short haired cats shed a million times more than long haired ones.And thus spred the "dander" which is what most people are allergic to.Long haired cats' dander is retained close to their bodies and doesnt spread as easily as the others so are better for allergys.Also there is truth in the color thing.

I ramble....but have lived in the country most of my life and have seen the operations of barn cats and love what they do....

BTW. My very large dog catches and kills rats and mice when he surprises them.
Old 23rd June 2003
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WHACK the **** out of them with a heavy broom. While partially stunned, GRAB 'em with a pair of steak tongs, then do with them what you will. I took mine out into the alley and gave them a stern lecture, and some advice. Then, I winged 'em into my neighbors yard (asshole).

Heinz you bastard heh I was reading this on a public computer and cacked myself!

I blame YOU for the funny looks I'm getting....
Old 23rd June 2003
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thanks! please remember to tip the moderators.
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update:

turns out it's not just me. it's a neighborhood infestation we think stemming from one run-down badly maintained residence a couple of houses away.

i've had a pro exterminator in, but the mice seem to have mutant intelligence - they avoid his poisons, traps, etc. as neatly as they do mine. got some of those Victor traps with the pheremones - didn't even catch one mouse with them.

so, i've been trying to keep things extraordinarily clean, sealing all edibles in plastic or glass containers, etc., hoping they'll go look for more hospitable dwellings. also removed EVERYTHING from closet floors and lower cabinets to eliminate nesting areas. but it's hard to tell if anything is having much of an effect at this point. next step is to go around the outside of the house and try to seal up every little crack or hole to try and stem immigration.

still have yet to try that hillbilly thingie - got to do that soon. meanwhile, doing a lot of aggressive vacuuming to keep the odor down.

I'm very much reminded of one of those old Warner Bros. cartoons where Daffy Duck has such a severe and frustrating mouse problem that in desperation he eventually burns down his house, only to see the mice toasting marshmallows over the smoldering embers...
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