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is the crappy digital sound popular now?
Old 15th November 2009
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is the crappy digital sound popular now?

has anyone ran across this before?

almost everytime i record a band thats under the age of 22
they bring in references that were tracked and mixed on what sounds like a digi02 or mbox. drums just all replaced and everything is complete mudd and constant clipping...
then we do the record, mix... and i always get comments on how they dislike the clarity. and of coarse the not loud enough bs.. but i always expect that one.. but to like the sound of a itb protools mix tracked on a digi02... i dont claim to be amazing at recording or anything like that, but my standards are pretty high... i guess im getting to old... i even heard... "the mix sounds too 90s" the other day... I wish this trend happened when i was starting out,.. i would be rich! i guess im selling my neotek and my apogees.. and why even record drums.. use a vdrum kit...the kids like that sound over a dw kit that has even been tuned to the key of the song.... what is happening!
i quit!
Old 15th November 2009
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i quit!
Thank God!!! More work for me!!!
Old 15th November 2009
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Sounds like your standards are not suited for your clients. Either you need to take jobs that suit you, or man up and do the best job you can to suit what the client wants, not what you want. Either way, needs to be in the moan zone.
Old 15th November 2009
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I agree and can relate to what you're saying. However, I don't agree with the "digital sound" remark. This isn't so much an issue of digital "sound" as it is an issue of the ever-increasing reliance on the editing and manipulation that digital recording systems make possible. Younger bands/musicians and their listeners are accustomed to this sound and often demand it/rely on it. Samples and editing are oftentimes the only way to really achieve the production style of a lot of the popular music out there, and on top of that, they make it easier for less skilled engineers to make records that sound, to the untrained ear, "good enough."

It's a sad situation but I think (hope) that eventually musicality and some degree of naturalism will come back into favor more than it is right now.

A man can dream!
Old 15th November 2009
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Sounds like your standards are not suited for your clients. Either you need to take jobs that suit you, or man up and do the best job you can to suit what the client wants, not what you want. Either way, needs to be in the moan zone.
c'mon...every contrary opinion could be "moan" worthy...I here what the OP is saying...this is actually an interesting topic. On the one hand I believe in high quality recording ....on the other hand...whatever makes them happy...I like to think it can be both usually...dreamer here
Old 15th November 2009
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Sounds less like crappy digital and more like not knowing how to mix modern music.
Old 15th November 2009
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Originally Posted by craigdouglas View Post
has anyone ran across this before?

almost everytime i record a band thats under the age of 22
they bring in references that were tracked and mixed on what sounds like a digi02 or mbox. drums just all replaced and everything is complete mudd and constant clipping...
then we do the record, mix... and i always get comments on how they dislike the clarity. and of coarse the not loud enough bs.. but i always expect that one.. but to like the sound of a itb protools mix tracked on a digi02... i dont claim to be amazing at recording or anything like that, but my standards are pretty high... i guess im getting to old... i even heard... "the mix sounds too 90s" the other day... I wish this trend happened when i was starting out,.. i would be rich! i guess im selling my neotek and my apogees.. and why even record drums.. use a vdrum kit...the kids like that sound over a dw kit that has even been tuned to the key of the song.... what is happening!
i quit!
Unless your income is dependent on doing this work, I would politely suggest that they find an "engineer" with a Digi 02 in his bedroom or garage where they can get the type of "sound" they desire.

Or shut up and think about all the dough you're making.......

I would suggest not quitting - just start working for real musicians.
Old 15th November 2009
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Sounds less like crappy digital and more like not knowing how to mix modern "music".
Let's not go there.
Old 15th November 2009
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Unless your income is dependent on doing this work, I would politely suggest that they find an "engineer" with a Digi 02 in his bedroom or garage where they can get the type of "sound" they desire.

Or shut up and think about all the dough you're making.......

I would suggest not quitting - just start working for real musicians.
My point exactly. Didn't mean it to come across quite like it did. Try to find clients that are more attuned to what your good at and enjoy doing. Which means you'll be working less, as you'll be cutting out a chunk of your potential business. Or just do the best you can for each client, even if that means doing things that you don't always like or agree with. If this is not something your comfortable with, pass on the work. Try to make mutually beneficial relationships for both client and engineer. If it is one sided, all parties will suffer from the outcome. That said, this is certainly moan zone worthy.
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