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If people [engineers] rally against the loudness wars..
Old 14th November 2009
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If people [engineers] rally against the loudness wars..

why do they put laurels on mixers who crush the crap outta stuff and shill plug ins that exhort it???

doesn't the buck stop with us FIRST??
Old 14th November 2009
  #2
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yet another thread about something 99,999 % of the people on earth don't give a F*CK about, me included
Old 14th November 2009
  #3
Seriously, people know about the loudness wars...

Kids dont care how loud it is, neither do new bands.
Older bands know, a la Weezer's Red Album. It was purposely mastered quieter.
Most mastering engineers tell bands or producers flat out what their doing and what they can and can't do. Every time I go to get something mastered, my mastering engineer asks me how I want it done. Multi-band compressors aren't mastering, they're just tamers. A lot of work is still done in mastering.

It is usually our own faults when something is brickwalled, and we obviously choose to do it. It is ultimately our decision to end this faux "war".
Old 14th November 2009
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People will make the music that makes them happy. If that's the loudest mix on the planet, who are we to say they are wrong? They are entitled to their opinions.

I've come to view the whole thing with a morbid curiosity and a general sense of laissez-faire. I'm still waiting til someone successfully releases a -4 dB RMS mix. Should be awesome. heh
Old 14th November 2009
  #5
you miss the point entirely

the artifacts of smashed sounds
Old 14th November 2009
  #6
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Originally Posted by sam guaiana View Post
Seriously, people know about the loudness wars...

Kids dont care how loud it is, neither do new bands.
Older bands know, a la Weezer's Red Album. It was purposely mastered quieter.
Most mastering engineers tell bands or producers flat out what their doing and what they can and can't do. Every time I go to get something mastered, my mastering engineer asks me how I want it done. Multi-band compressors aren't mastering, they're just tamers. A lot of work is still done in mastering.

It is usually our own faults when something is brickwalled, and we obviously choose to do it. It is ultimately our decision to end this faux "war".
Everybody I talk to at least claims to be backing off...

And every mix that comes through here, the artists get The Lecture when they start asking about Louder.

I do believe I am doing my part; but not to Save The World.

Just to save my mixes!
Old 14th November 2009
  #7
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The only way that's gonna happen is when clients stop demanding it.
Old 14th November 2009
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Originally Posted by Sigma View Post
doesn't the buck stop with us FIRST??
no, the buck stops with the 99,999 % of the people on earth don't give a F*CK about it because they vote with their dollar $$$

this is gearslutz, we know the difference
you are preaching to the choir
Old 14th November 2009
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The only way that's gonna happen is when clients stop demanding it.
'Aint THAT the truth!
Old 14th November 2009
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I like loud records as long as they aren't clipped. The bigger and louder the better. Bring it on!
Old 15th November 2009
  #11
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Originally Posted by surflounge View Post
no, the buck stops with the 99,999 % of the people on earth don't give a F*CK about it because they vote with their dollar $$$

this is gearslutz, we know the difference
you are preaching to the choir
if that were true then why do people here azz kiss engineers who just strap pegging limiters on all tracks and post the inanity on you tube??
Old 15th November 2009
  #12
Because they mistake the azz of a cynical, craven, contemptible engineer for a beautiful girl?
Old 15th November 2009
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Because they mistake the azz of a cynical, craven, contemptible engineer for a beautiful girl?
yoiu sir are a breath of fresh air
Old 15th November 2009
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The only way that's gonna happen is when clients stop demanding it.
Best reply I've read here in a while!
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