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Violet v. BLUE the solution.....
Old 24th November 2005
  #361
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That link that JZ posted is beyond nonsense. What's next JZ? The Violet E47, Violet U99, Violet U195---might as well.

I do however have a question for ya? Above you mention that you sold already made/designed products to BLUE. This is what I am curious about. If you were able to design and manufacture high end microphones all by your lonesome, why is it that no one had heard of you. Why weren't you doing this before you hooked up with BLUE. Where were these mics prior to your involvement with BLUE. It's hard to believe that one day you are manufacturing medical supplies and then suddenly you design your own fine mics, out of the blue. That in combination with the above link you posted is simply absurd.

I am sorry I have to use this tone, but I feel that you are taking advantage of this forum to spread lies. What is hard for me to believe, that even being caught in so many inconsistencies and non-truths, having your bank account frozen, having your website shut down, that some people still take you somewhat seriously. I hope you change your methods buddy, or you will surely turn your company into a joke, it may already be too late.

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Old 24th November 2005
  #362
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I love this thread heh however what keeps JZ back is unfortunately the language barrier ( I know he has a lot to say but has problems expressing it here)
Old 24th November 2005
  #363
I love this thread less...
Old 24th November 2005
  #364
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I love this thread less...
Blue's site is down. Hmmmm.
Old 24th November 2005
  #365
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Blue's site is down. Hmmmm.
I'm sure it will be back up soon. I think they've been having some problems with either their servers or service provider. The site was down a few days ago for a while when I was trying to access it.

Old 21st October 2006
  #366
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Thumbs down Blue stole Violet design

......no comment just click on this link :

http://www.violet-design.ee/index.ph...=35&Itemid=125


...and buy violet design !fuuck
Old 21st October 2006
  #367
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Dude ..wake up.. this legal battle has been going on for a few years now..
This crap has been beaten to death with a broomhandle already..do a search.
what, you work for Violet?

sounds like a moan zone/bitchfest topic to me anyways.. tutt
Old 21st October 2006
  #368
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Excuse me if I don't go into immediate shock and awe over a Latvian court decision.
Old 21st October 2006
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Hey,

Maybe they will do a reunion tour?? Like all the cool bands from the past that make up, but still hate each other?!?!? For the dough?!?!

As I see it, Violet never became much, and "New Blue" is dust. Make friends for the buck.....cmon man, its all the rage!!!

Of course, YMMYVMMV........
Old 21st October 2006
  #370
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Originally Posted by Cyril Harrison View Post
......no comment just click on this link :

http://www.violet-design.ee/index.ph...=35&Itemid=125


...and buy violet design !fuuck

Well Sparky..seems like these guys are still in business too

http://www.bluemic.com/
Old 21st October 2006
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We've been round the block on this one several times!

Best to do a search of the Forum before posting old 'news' of this nature. fuuck

It doesn't need yet another new thread.
Old 21st October 2006
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....Ok thumbsup

I do not have the right to discover some informations i don't knew... (i feel soooooooo ashamed) and want to share it with people in the same case ?????
I feel so sorry......
Old 21st October 2006
  #373
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The only thing more irritating than people posting about old news is...

Reading countless replies from people bitching about the guy that posted the old news.

Now THAT'S boring.

Here are some statistics:

"1073 clones" 63 posts

"do a search" 250 posts (and I get the feeling 250 is the max result for a search) I'd say that phrase has seen more than a few broom handles!
Old 21st October 2006
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+1 for time warp. I love warping

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Old 21st October 2006
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blue/violet, who cares.

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Excuse me if I don't go into immediate shock and awe over a Latvian court decision.
What the hell kinda comment is that? What do you know about Latvia and its judicial system?

USA, USA, USA.



Gustav
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Old 21st October 2006
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"do a search" 250 posts (and I get the feeling 250 is the max result for a search)
That's really funny.
Old 21st October 2006
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What the hell kinda comment is that? What do you know about Latvia and its judicial system?

USA, USA, USA.



Gustav
Now THAT'S really funny!
Old 22nd October 2006
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What the hell kinda comment is that? What do you know about Latvia and its judicial system?

USA, USA, USA.



Gustav
While I find your comment funny, I am obliged to point out that the legal argument is over a US patent infringement.

Even funnier is the English translation of the Latvian legal document. My pronunciation of that original court document is probably lousy though, which you can blame on me living in the USA.
Old 12th December 2006
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The claim against B.L.U.E., LLC is being filed to the Harju County Court [Estonia] (exceptional jurisdiction according to the Estonian Code of Civil Procedure). The content of the claim is violation of good name and reputation of Violet Design LLC and avoidance of such activities in the future.
Old 15th December 2006
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I've never posted on this subject before - but as a BLUE Bottle owner I have watched this debate from the side lines.

One point that has always swung the aurgument in the favour of BLUE for me is:

The first mic BLUE ever designed was the BIG BLUE BOTTLE and the capsules 0-8.

I notice Violet have never claimed they were involved with the creation of the Bottle, in fact it is commonly known that the Bottle is, in a sense a copy of the RFT (which is it almost visually identical too)

Violet DON'T have the Big Bottle in their back catalog - and so I conclude they themselves admit they were never involved with the 1st BLUE microphone - at least there is no evidence or cliam that they were.

As I understand it - AFTER the creation of the Bottle system BLUE then started to "filter" down to lower priced microphones the capsules they had created for the Bottle, as fixed capsule mics (ie the cap can't be changed)

So :

The Blueberry was the B0
The KIWI the B6
The Cactus B7

etc etc.

Somewhere along the way in creating the bodies to stick these capsules on Violet claim they became involved/ designed / the bodies for these capsules (only BLUE/Violet can know who did what - the courts will sort that out)

However it appears to me that fundimentally, the whole BLUE sound and concept - came from the Bottle system and therefore I don't doubt in my mind for one moment that Skipper and BLUE started the whole concept off. (or we would have had a company called Violet first)

Remeber the heart and sound of a microphone are the capules and electronics not the bodies - it appears to me - someone else now claims to have made the wrapping (so to speak)

Trebor
Old 27th December 2006
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I've never posted on this subject before - but as a BLUE Bottle owner I have watched this debate from the side lines.

One point that has always swung the aurgument in the favour of BLUE for me is:

The first mic BLUE ever designed was the BIG BLUE BOTTLE and the capsules 0-8.

I notice Violet have never claimed they were involved with the creation of the Bottle, in fact it is commonly known that the Bottle is, in a sense a copy of the RFT (which is it almost visually identical too)

Violet DON'T have the Big Bottle in their back catalog - and so I conclude they themselves admit they were never involved with the 1st BLUE microphone - at least there is no evidence or cliam that they were.

As I understand it - AFTER the creation of the Bottle system BLUE then started to "filter" down to lower priced microphones the capsules they had created for the Bottle, as fixed capsule mics (ie the cap can't be changed)

So :

The Blueberry was the B0
The KIWI the B6
The Cactus B7

etc etc.

Somewhere along the way in creating the bodies to stick these capsules on Violet claim they became involved/ designed / the bodies for these capsules (only BLUE/Violet can know who did what - the courts will sort that out)

However it appears to me that fundimentally, the whole BLUE sound and concept - came from the Bottle system and therefore I don't doubt in my mind for one moment that Skipper and BLUE started the whole concept off. (or we would have had a company called Violet first)

Remeber the heart and sound of a microphone are the capules and electronics not the bodies - it appears to me - someone else now claims to have made the wrapping (so to speak)

Trebor
The BLUE bottle is NOT a copy of an RFT mic. Visualy it is a copy of the original neumann bottle CMV3 (which RFT copied), but the BLUE bottle is a fresh design. The mic was designed by Skipper Wise and his partner Matrins Saulprins. They started out heavily modifying neumann u47's, and the bottle is a stem off of that, but far from the RFT bottle mic design of the 1930's.
Old 6th February 2007
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After losing two hours of my life...

...I have to post this. I just registered for it But this soap-opera has held me in vile through thirteen pages of densely written comments, and I owe you and myself this one.

I reached this page through Google while searching for more information on the BLUE-Violet (the latter reminds more of Virgin than of BLUE, btw) conflict. This was after some browsing, so I already had a picture in mind. But before there was the "Scruples" issue. What? What's that?

I first thought the "Scruples" guys truly had none of their name, since they came to my attention at a site where "Notices of Disent" are kept as useful information. These are legal notices sent by companies which do not want certain information published. A typical case would be an adult site asking Google to stop linking to free material copyrighted by their site.

Apparently the Scruples guys where trying to prevent the BLUE guys from selling their microphones on the web. They tried to stop Google from linking to shops carrying their mics! Ntsk, ntsk, ntsk, that looks like unfair competition! Scruples bad, BLUE good. So let's have a look at their websites...

There glitzy looks on one and a bad copy on the other are to be found. But further inspection is revealing: the web design of one is better, but the products look way cooler on the copycat! Weird... (much later I would follow a link where the cool products of the flashy web were conspicuously not for sale)

But hey, the beauty of Google is that it gives you many results (sometimes too many) and one of them leads to a forum. Time to see real people telling what they really think! Mics freaks! People who know why it matters to have a 22-22k frequency response or who know if a recording is good or bad! For whom "low" and "high" cannot always be looked at.

That's always cool when one is browsing the web and finds a bunch of hackers (in any sense: freaks, proffesionals, experts, grognards, whatever), if not a community with stories to tell. So you follow the discussion between the parts with all its actors: the guru with the 2000 posts and the newbie with 36, the serial misunderstander who cannot decipher quotes, the noisy detractor and the quiet defender and finally the two warring parts themselves! Yeeha! It may be not quite like a cage fight, but at least someone seems to speak coherently, or at least authoritatively, for the two implicated parties. One of them comes thumping.

BLUE representatives have the disturbing habit of sending their messages in six-wagon trains which get sometimes broken by an avid poster. Violet's presumed founder, Jz's posts are more like coming from the old German uncle or an old character in a II World War film with a witty, if gramatically fractured, sense of humour. He does not insult anyone, but anyway receives lots of flak. So why is he arousing so much hate from some?

Jz's assertions may come unscrutable to temerous travellers, which means he is mostly misunderstood, on purpose or not. As one poster asks rethorically, why the hell is this Yurpean screwing BLUE off? Well, they may feel aggraviated, for one thing. Or he, for he's a man (see http://www.violet-design.com/i/NAMM07/violetN7_8.jpg), may feel ripped off. Whatever. But one impartial mind should be able to at least find a reason for the actions of others. If not, it may be leaning some way.

But I'm drifting away, and that "impartial" is key. In the discussion there are many voices vociferating against these newcomers which have stolen BLUE's designs. It's normal, since BLUE has been showing it's face in the United States, a (mostly) English speaking country, while Violet have now started to get known there. There are also quiet voices defending Violet, which is to be expected, since no one wants to stand for the new guy at first.

Jz's comments show a man who loves his craft, and the evidence shows he knows his big-round-sound-registering-balls from his bollocks. The specs of Violets mics for sale are as good as the ones for the old BLUE ones, while BLUE new models are more average.

Somewhere buried in Violet's web there is a story of a man who wanted to commercialise what he had managed to perfect after many years of work (yeah, yeah, like Gepetto and Pinnochio) and who got involved with some merchant whom he felt had abused his confidence. In response we find in this thread a person or persons unknown (do mic freaks love Monty Python's fare?) who thinks or think "after all I've brought this product to all this people and I have built a brand and it was me who managed to make this work and to make money out of all this".

So you can defend the people who brought what looks like lovingly designed Latvian high-quality microphones to the US market or you can defend the people who seem to have done the designing and manufacturing. Not to underestimate the work of marketing and business people, but mastery of art is different, and mastering elite manufacturing is an art.

So my sympathies lie with the Latvians. While trying to sell their microphones they look exactly like a bunch of grognards preparing for a wargaming session at a gaming convention. And there is more anecdotal evidence (see http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/s.../news_id/e/448 for some Violet mics with good specs on sale). Time will tell. Or maybe it already did and I didn't find the right result in Google.

Many thanks for taking your time to read all this. For me it is already like three hours... Maybe a bit more.

Regards from a music lover and bass,
Sinaht
Old 6th February 2007
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The specs of Violets mics for sale are as good as the ones for the old BLUE ones, while BLUE new models are more average.
One thing you won't find much of here is people who buy based on specs...

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So you can defend the people who brought what looks like lovingly designed Latvian high-quality microphones to the US market or you can defend the people who seem to have done the designing and manufacturing.
It's not that clear cut..the only thing that is clear is that JZ/Scruples did some manufacturing for BLUE, but not designing. It seems an odd coincidence to me that the BLUE microphones have been on the market for years, and it was only when BLUE decided to move manufacturing away from the Scruples factory that all of these allegations came forward. Then and only then.

-Duardo
Old 8th February 2007
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my $.02

I honestly can't keep up with any of this, but I have purchased two mics - the JZ2 (aka The Mouse) and the JZ3 - which isn't really like anything that Blue has sold so there is no comparison there.

i absolutely LOVe my JZ2 as a bass drum mic - kind of a poor man's fet47 and, as all you Mouse owners know, it is also good at so many other things. (assuming the blue mouse IS like my JZ2 - I don't know..)

the Jz3 has three switchable caps and I enjoy all three of them. This mic enabled me to sell my gefell m7 fet mics because it wins. Just my opinion - and that opinion is about the mics - let the suits do what suits do, I say.
Old 8th February 2007
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Martins Saulespurens??? Is this a real name??? Saulespurens=Salesperson? If this is real it's one hell of a name for a Russian guy selling stuff in the U.S.
Old 8th February 2007
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Martins Saulespurens

goes with Richard Goodsell (search Goodsell amps- Richard is a great guy who used to be THE wurlitzer guy, hammonds too, the amps look great).

i'm basically colorblind (like stephen colbert- "i just don't see race), so nothing really to say on violet blue. now blue velvet, that's another story... now it's dark... enjoy pram
Old 10th March 2007
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This thread was interesting and I don't feel it should have merited censorship or discouragement...as many pointed out, both sides may be sullying their brands engaging in a public chit-fling. However, it's quite informative, both as to what to expect from the gear itself and as to the maturity of this industry (or lack thereof).

The impression I get is that JZ's claims have quite a lot of merit. "Design" is so abstract a concept that it's hard to pin down, unless there is scrupulous (haha) documentation. And even such documentation can be forged or coerced. The courts can decide all of that.

Note that Blue's statements seem to skirt "we have mic capsules being made today in Latvia." JZ challenges this, asking for specifics (i.e. who, exactly, are they working with?) elsewhere on this board. What might actually be happening is Blue obtained a large amount of inventory...these things aren't perishable...before the breakup, and they are still selling through it. The inventory may be complete assemblies or just parts that are complimented by US-made parts and assembly. In which case, some "new" mics sold as Blue may actually have been built in JZ's factory years ago. I say "may" because I have no idea... In any case, ones' assumptions must always be examined when reviewing something like this if one is interested.

What it does appear to me in this case is that Violet has significant design talent available to it, and are releasing new models significantly faster than Blue (which has only a new ribbon, the "woodpecker" to add to its lineup lately afaics). This would seem to indicate perhaps some of our allegiance as technophiles ought to be directed at JZ, regardless of his marketing inexperience and poor English (not to mention tasteless associations with dubious ebayers). It may have been JZ's lack of business acumen that led Blue to feel safe betting their enterprise on him...with apparently many (if not all) verbal contracts.

The point that the noble and effective thing to do for JZ would have been to simply move on to the new designs and not produce the Blue knockoffs (or Blue's versions of JZ's mics, of course) is a very sound one. However, JZ may have needed to sell the knockoffs as a means of raising investment in order to produce the new line. He may have just been stuck with the inventory and decided to rebadge and liquidate to avoid debt. He may also have felt betrayed or taken advantage of.

If JZ gets through the court process in workable shape, and gets himself a Skipper Wise type (any chipper cute savvy salesperson with street cred in the states will do...leave all the talking to them) he could end up way ahead of Blue yet. Blue likewise needs to get themselves a great mic designer who can deliver innovative value in a crowded market, and not just cute exteriors.

At the end of the day, the best thing for a gearslut to do is buy from a dealer with a return policy, and test specific units out yourself. Bad units are available from great companies, and sometimes, vice-versa. There are plenty of people available to service microphones; you're not that stuck if you buy one from a company that dies. If you're able to get the tracks you want for the price you can justify, you're ahead of the game.

In any color.
Old 17th April 2007
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Old 19th July 2007
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A couple of strange things have been going on. The Violet reps are going into retail stores and telling the salespeople that Blue mics are made in China. I looked into that, and the only Blue products made in China are the Ball mics and things like shockmounts.

A Violet rep also told a salesperson that regarding Violet being found guilty on 12 counts in civil court, that Blue paid Violet to plead guilty. Well, thanks to the wonderful website supremecourt.ca.gov, anybody can go and look up the court records to find that the judge found Violet guilty of twelve counts, with prejudice, to the tune of $500k per count.

D'oh!

I tried to attach the court paper I downloaded, but it's too big. I just had to say something, as I recently witnessed a salesperson telling a prospective buyer that the Bottle was made in China, and that the Violet rep was just in there telling them about it. What a bunch of scumbags. I also love how they tried to file patents in the EU with already existing Blue designs and got blown out of the water by the EU courts. You'd think these clowns would get a life and just move on with their own stupid mics, like the Black Knight, etc.
Old 19th July 2007
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hard to look at them as a contender when they act as such :(
i will just stay with BLUE they have always been good to me.
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