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Future Producers....? Dynamic Microphones
Old 11th August 2008
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Future Producers....?

I, like many have learnt a lot from forums online. ALL of us started somewhere. Some started "back in the day" and bring a wealth of knowledge to places like this. Others started 5-10 years ago, and while knowlegable on many things, still have a lot of "learning" to do.. While others are just plain f'in stupid!!!

Now ive seen them here, but generally this place is full of "normal" people... Future Producers on the other hand!! OMFG.

After spending my first ten minutes there, that place reeks of torrent users... Prime example being - "Should I use Nuendo or Cubase"
hmm. Well, If you had seen the price tags on them while shopping at Guitar Center, you would have seen that there is around about a 2 grand difference!!!

And it not just the obvious use of torrents.. It the basic tech questions they ask about cables, sample rates, compression, samplers, MIDI, audio, latency - "whats this?", "whats that?"..!!!

Now I know back 10 years ago I would have asked some pretty stupid questions.. Hey I do now... But give me an f'in break!!! Dont these people read first? dont they want to learn for themselves? Is it the current generations - What are they called? Generation Now??

Are these guys/girls our "Future Producers"
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Old 11th August 2008
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It's amazing to me how few people actually read manuals, but maybe that just supports your argument about people who ask questions are using cracks so they don't have manuals...
Old 12th August 2008
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It's amazing to me how few people actually read manuals, but maybe that just supports your argument about people who ask questions are using cracks so they don't have manuals...
Thats not an excuse, even the cracks have PDF manuals...heh
Old 12th August 2008
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Are you kidding?!?!

Are you kidding, I love Future Producers!! I mean, with such post titles as "Cheap alternative to SM58?" and "5G's for a home studio" you know it is going to be good.

I can only imagine that everything these guys use is cracked. They talk about the most expensive software imaginable, usually in the context of trying to get it to work, but never seem to have any budget for anything else.

I can't help but wonder if any of this is good for the music industry. I'm a studio owner and even though the Future Producers are nothing short of ridiculous, they are out there and many of them try to market their "facilities" to the public. Silly as they are, it still affects my business either by a: the public coming in to contact with these people and walking away with a very bad impression of what a recording studio is and what an engineer actually does and b: bottom feeding and misleading the public into believing that studios should only cost $15/hr.

Sad as it may seem, I never tell anyone new that I meet what it is I do for a living.

Setting: Dinner party (my wife is an interior designer if that helps)

Mr. Important: "So, Robert, what is it that you do?"

Me: "I own a recording studio."

Mr. Important: "Yeah, my daughter's boyfriend has one of those in his bedroom. She said he is a rapper or singer or something."

Way to go Future Producers!!!!!! F*k yeah!

Finally, I say we all get an account. Hell, it might give us all something new to talk about.
Old 16th August 2008
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Are you kidding, I love Future Producers!! I mean, with such post titles as "Cheap alternative to SM58?" and "5G's for a home studio" you know it is going to be good.

I can only imagine that everything these guys use is cracked. They talk about the most expensive software imaginable, usually in the context of trying to get it to work, but never seem to have any budget for anything else.

I can't help but wonder if any of this is good for the music industry. I'm a studio owner and even though the Future Producers are nothing short of ridiculous, they are out there and many of them try to market their "facilities" to the public. Silly as they are, it still affects my business either by a: the public coming in to contact with these people and walking away with a very bad impression of what a recording studio is and what an engineer actually does and b: bottom feeding and misleading the public into believing that studios should only cost $15/hr.

Sad as it may seem, I never tell anyone new that I meet what it is I do for a living.

Setting: Dinner party (my wife is an interior designer if that helps)

Mr. Important: "So, Robert, what is it that you do?"

Me: "I own a recording studio."

Mr. Important: "Yeah, my daughter's boyfriend has one of those in his bedroom. She said he is a rapper or singer or something."

Way to go Future Producers!!!!!! F*k yeah!

Finally, I say we all get an account. Hell, it might give us all something new to talk about.
I have a nice place and, a pretty good idea of what im doing...Last week I only charged a friend from a producton company $15 an hour for vox on a jingle....does that mean there is something wrong with me or my studio?

Mr. Important: "Yeah, my daughter's boyfriend has one of those in his bedroom. She said he is a rapper or singer or something."...I have felt that pain..I know what you mean there!!
Old 18th August 2008
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I have a nice place and, a pretty good idea of what im doing...Last week I only charged a friend from a producton company $15 an hour for vox on a jingle....does that mean there is something wrong with me or my studio?
Look, I don't care what you charge your "friends". I have friends that use my facility for free sometimes. What I don't do is advertise that my facility is free. These "Future Producers", the ones working with some crappy usb microphone and cracked software, do sometimes advertise and they've been telling the public that they should only pay $15 for a recording studio. If I actually charged that I would be out of business in a week.

During the housing bubble, 1 out of every 20 working people in the state of California was a real estate agent. 1 out of 20! You couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting a licensed real estate agent. I got so sick of hearing about it.

On the flip side, seems like, oh, 1 out of every 3 people I meet just happens to be a Producer, Label Owner, Engineer or Studio Owner - most of these people can't tie their shoe laces. It embarrasses me to no end because I actually take a lot of pride in what I do. Furthermore, I believe that the skill set needed to become a good engineer is no less difficult or time consuming than that needed to become a doctor or lawyer. Unless, of course, you are a Future Producer, then you can just proclaim yourself to be a record label, producer, CEO or whatever fantasy name you wish to give yourself.

Is there something wrong with you? Well, you are posting on gearslutz. . .
Old 27th August 2008
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I'm going to sign up tonight and start asking for advise on what mic to get to sound the most epic.

And go on long, tangent diatribes on every single one of them.
Old 27th August 2008
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I'm going to sign up tonight and start asking for advise on what mic to get to sound the most epic.

And go on long, tangent diatribes on every single one of them.
sounds like the rap forum here on gearslutz. it has been infested w "future producers" members.
Old 27th August 2008
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sounds like the rap forum here on gearslutz.
you clearly missed the GS inside joke. Are you sure you're not a FP convert?
Old 27th August 2008
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I'm going to sign up tonight and start asking for advise on what mic to get to sound the most epic.

And go on long, tangent diatribes on every single one of them.
I tell you get the U47, VERY EPIC indeed!!!!
What ever happened to our little friend. It was Bender right?

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Old 29th August 2008
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Yup.

Speak of the devil...i was thinking bass traps today...please PM me and give me some advise/quotes (would rather work with you than more auralex) to handle two standing waves (12' and 10')
Old 23rd September 2008
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Wow. I agreed....ish. I mean there are some obvious crack users out there. I mean its kinda hard to not notice a crack head...but thats besides the point. These forums are set to help educate and share knowledge. Some people are idiots and want everything spoon fed to them . I usually only respond with use the search function. But to say everyone on that site is a wanna be is a bit of a stretch. I love the site and have never really posted as much anywhere else besides there.
FP is number one for me. Not because of the idiots but because I was there in the beginning when I was beginning reading all the threads. Just using fp and google. Then a few years later I actually created a account. And now I post everyday helping people and still learning. Granted you do have to sift through the garbage. ...But I do see why some people do hate it. We really do miss some of the people who have left. My biggest teacher there was Massive Mastering. But he has left us for you guys. I love reading gearslutz and fp. then sometimes the reaper forum. Thats really it. Now say what you want Electronique I see you there quite often also! I encourage anybody who has a problem there to join and make it a better place. Maybe just a good as this one...Maybe...

Read this now...
Old 25th September 2008
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i have met the ultimate in mic technology

and it comes in gold.
it's made by manley and i'm pretty sure it won't fit into a 5G budget. in fact, that is the budget...what the hell would a future producer, studio jerk, kid fresh from audio school know to do with that?
(i wanna steal it-it's beautiful)

sorry if this is random. i just wanted to share my little piece of audio joy with you...heh
Old 26th September 2008
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and it comes in gold.
it's made by manley and i'm pretty sure it won't fit into a 5G budget. in fact, that is the budget...what the hell would a future producer, studio jerk, kid fresh from audio school know to do with that?
(i wanna steal it-it's beautiful)

sorry if this is random. i just wanted to share my little piece of audio joy with you...heh
lol, hey kids! don't steal software! Using Cracked Software is STEALING!!!


...oh that microphone? umm, I got it at the... umm, Microphone Tree.
lol
Old 26th September 2008
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Are you kidding, I love Future Producers!! I mean, with such post titles as "Cheap alternative to SM58?" and "5G's for a home studio" you know it is going to be good.

I can only imagine that everything these guys use is cracked. They talk about the most expensive software imaginable, usually in the context of trying to get it to work, but never seem to have any budget for anything else.

I can't help but wonder if any of this is good for the music industry. I'm a studio owner and even though the Future Producers are nothing short of ridiculous, they are out there and many of them try to market their "facilities" to the public. Silly as they are, it still affects my business either by a: the public coming in to contact with these people and walking away with a very bad impression of what a recording studio is and what an engineer actually does and b: bottom feeding and misleading the public into believing that studios should only cost $15/hr.

Sad as it may seem, I never tell anyone new that I meet what it is I do for a living.

Setting: Dinner party (my wife is an interior designer if that helps)

Mr. Important: "So, Robert, what is it that you do?"

Me: "I own a recording studio."

Mr. Important: "Yeah, my daughter's boyfriend has one of those in his bedroom. She said he is a rapper or singer or something."

Way to go Future Producers!!!!!! F*k yeah!

Finally, I say we all get an account. Hell, it might give us all something new to talk about.
"Cheap alternative to sm58" hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Precisely why, in one week, I'm happily jumping in my car to head back to Los Angeles (from ATL)! I've had a few serious (read: female singers) artists pay a good rate and be delighted with the result. Then, I cut rates b/c all the $15 hr. people were scaring me...what did I get, more business for the lower rate? No, continuous email-swapping low-ball sessions that result in NO business. "I'm comin' out of pocket on this," REALLY? It's great that I didn't have to come "out of pocket," to study music in school for years, or come, "out of pocket," to pay for the $4k mic you want to spit into!

No offense to other types of artists, just my experience. I can't wait until the sunshine washes away my bitterness...
Old 26th September 2008
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Furthermore, I believe that the skill set needed to become a good engineer is no less difficult or time consuming than that needed to become a doctor or lawyer.
Whoa... That was the wine talking, right?
Old 27th September 2008
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is it the bottle or the juice?

hey guys,
is FP really that bad? I personally found some useful information in their threads and tbh, the administrators of FP do slap the ignorant yet cocky wannabe producers here and there as they deserve

The problem is that FP has "producer" in its name, which is a google magnet for all the teenage hiphop lovers who positively dream of calling themselves "producers" just so they can close their eyes and see themselves pausing in front of 3 meter long mixing desks with a bikini b*tch under each arm. remember producer is nearly as good as pimp, or gangster in the hiphop foodchain. and if you re both .... damn you must be the hardest man in town!

If well informed and educated gearslutz like you bunch would decide to post there too, you would actually help dispell the crap on FP (ie all the stuff you ve been complaining about in terms or ******** questions, cracked software and $15 p. hour studios).


PS : I just joined the gearslutz family and this is my 1st post on here
(but I ve been a reader for sooooo long lol)
Old 29th September 2008
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Los Angeles (from ATL)! I've had a few serious (read: female singers) artists pay a good rate and be delighted with the result. Then, I cut rates b/c all the $15 hr. people were scaring me...what did I get, more business for the lower rate? No, continuous email-swapping low-ball sessions that result in NO business. "I'm comin' out of pocket on this," REALLY? It's great that I didn't have to come "out of pocket," to study music in school for years, or come, "out of pocket," to pay for the $4k mic you want to spit into!
$15 hr. .................... You Just Scared me. dfegad
Its funny but at the same time not Funny. Is this really happening in the "A"?
Old 29th September 2008
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$15 hr. .................... You Just Scared me. dfegad
Its funny but at the same time not Funny. Is this really happening in the "A"?
Don't be scared by that, be scared by this:

"$100 unlimited studio time for one month,"

"Free studio time for R&B singers," etc.

Their gear list? Top-of-the-line, "M-Audio mics, protools (mbox), reasons (crack)..."

The bad news? I just perused LA's clist for the first time in a couple days and saw:

"$15/hr studio time," with about the same gear mentioned. Luckily, most artists MOVE to LA from somewhere else, and are serious--so they either know something and have recorded before, or at least saved up money/have a job to pay for quality, and know it when they hear it. I'm not worried--it was working before (and so was I!).

One more day, and I'm OUT!
Old 29th September 2008
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PS : I just joined the gearslutz family and this is my 1st post on here
(but I ve been a reader for sooooo long lol)
Spend enough time on GS and you'll understand the quality difference

Do you work for FP or something?
Old 30th September 2008
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Hay im a "producer" deal is we can bank roll a film and my studio cost $20K. (we have film credits as producers)

I know $20,000 is chicken feed but im on the level of those guys you talk about, But I have Nuendo 4 and legal..

I dont think there is much wrong with these mini studios if they are doing it for fun LIKE I AM. I once had a client pay me $2500 for a week long video shoot and a week long edit with music.

But I had to simply go back to "lets make independent films for fun" because yes the industry has gone bad and flooded with pornographers wanting to make "Easy money, perhaps gazillions" Plus they have access to editors that work for $40 a day! No it might even be $40 per 8 hours!

I think there a level above future producers, guys like me with a spot of money to invest in their own projects but making money is tempting but in the end a no win/win if you factor the kind of clients that are likely to seek out the Sub $20,000 studios like mine.

Now I only work for free and turn down any one wanting to pay or rent my space.
Flat out, no way. (id take trades though)

Have you seen the clients that can pay $20 per hour for editing? No thanks.
I even had one client take my prescription sunglasses.
Old 30th September 2008
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Film cats are weird, I'm sure you're one of the good guys, they exist.

Porn makes money, that's just reality. I've done music for some and I get paid, but I don't let them in my home.

They call it DRAMA for a reason.

I've always prefered A&R reps, booking agents and the rest of the sleaze of music to the sleaze of film.
Old 3rd October 2008
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There is only one word for this kind of people:
I'mma Pa-doo-sa !
Producer indeed. Most of these stereotypes are growing up on MTV culture. And that means downward-spiral for our society. Now,the streets are saturating with money grabbing, materialistic, selfish, narcisistic mentaly ******** brainwashed kids that really need serious help from the professionals. Just turn on MTV and just take a glimpse where our entertainment culture is going in corporate america: Money, fame, red carpet, clothes, manic obsession for celebrities, more money, the mental image of a record producer sitting behind a desk in a big studio, a true role model for kids from the hood. "Yo Imma padoosa,Makin' beetz with pro-toolz cause that shiet sounds tight aight"
It's the MTV and its propaganda to blame. I hate corporate system so much to this point where it has to stop one way or another. The world around us is noticing this change. It's our country's fault that is so super pretentuous and obsessed by those things. And the only ones to suffer the consequences of mind control are people of middle class who grow up on a cultural brainwashing package called "Basic Cable TV"
Wake the hell up ! Just try to realize how many people are watching basic cable and what's on it: did you ever see couple of channels that emphasize on classical music, art culture, world geography, news and other educational things of global interest? the answer is: vaguely and poorly.

This is exactly why NYC and anywhere else is so over-populated with wannabees musiciand, artists, photographers, film makers and such.
Our young people are falling into an illusion of false reality based on irrational materialistic values that falls into a downward spiral of oblivion.
Errecting into nothingness.
I dont want to offend anyone, but this doesn't apply only for padoosars, it applies to anyone else who doesn't use their own brain, feelings, creative juices and common sense in general. To hell with it.
Old 3rd October 2008
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I'm inclined to agree but I at least have faith that anyone who is at least somewhat smart can see right through the thin veil of Viacom.

The problem is that MTV makes something (let's call it the Real World) and people eat it up, then they make more of it because they're in the business of making money. People then eat that up. I mean it's to the point where their shows FEEL like Reality TV but is just as scripted as Friends.

No dreamers are actually making money so let the dilluted jackasses be dilluted jackasses.

The cream always rises to the top!

But I think we can blame a lot of other people for the problem too...

KRK makes monitors at the $300 price point, the Mbox costs what? ADK, Samson, Behringer etc (ADK makes good stuff but my point is still valid) they all enable these kids to build a studio for $1500 and start making Beatz.

Back in the day, you couldn't buy a guitar for less than like $60-70 (in the 60s) and that was BIG BIG money for a kid. Now, you can work a month at McDuck's and build your studio...

No wonder there's so much of this crap.

If there was a higher buy-in, there'd be less of this nonsense. Then, instead of being a Po-duce-ah, they have to go intern at a real studio where the Engineer tears them apart and actually teaches them how to do something right, not just right now.

There USED to be options for getting in that you could pull off on the same budget and the knowledge you'd gain was a LOT more valuable than watching my video on youtube on how a compressor works.
Old 3rd October 2008
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good lord, MTV is impossible to watch now days.
the rare time iv been at a bar where its playing its reality tv and game show like stuff.. I thought they gave up on music long ago?



I think as a video editor guy its even lower and harder on the food chain.
Most higher ups protect their business and dont want any "young whipper snappers" working and say, "well you have to go to film school, the end" but you dont really and most film school guys sucked bad and lacked either social skills to get a keep a job or were badly lacking editing skills but hay they had a Macbook pro and a 4 year degree and knew Final cut pro, well they kind of knew it..

I think above all keep a good attitude and be friendley and do extra things for the music and film gods and set your self apart as a "nice guy"
Old 3rd October 2008
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KRK makes monitors at the $300 price point, the Mbox costs what? ADK, Samson, Behringer making Beatz
Hay what about us guys doing the SAME thing but slightly better kit and doing post audio!
Old 3rd October 2008
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A slightly better kit = a bigger investment in yourself.

Proving my point.
Old 3rd October 2008
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of course, gearslutz doesn't have blowhards and every poster has nothing but good and accurate things to say . oh, and snobbery is unheard of, especially unwarranted snobbery. this is where even dookie smells like freshly cut flowers . while futureproducers, a place for hiphoppers and electronic musicmakers, is a disgrace to the internets, lulz.

i'm curious as to what happened to the op at that site. did he get a bitchslapping? of course not, what am i thinking. that's completely impossible.
Old 3rd October 2008
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I think you missed my point

When I was 14, I had the same terrible equipment setup.

But the difference was I didn't get on a forum posting about stuff. I sat down and worked hard at making things better and better.

Snobbery? Probably a little but at the same time I've never been blown away by anything made with an MBox and a hacked version of Reason.

Squarepusher doing Do You Know Squarepusher with Reaktor...completely different story.

But the reality is while you CAN make good recordings with Low End Gear, there's a difference between Low End that knows it's low end and doing the best possible vs. trying to make beatz that are just bad Neptunes knockoffs and thinking it's the hottest thing ever created.
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I think you missed my point

When I was 14, I had the same terrible equipment setup.

But the difference was I didn't get on a forum posting about stuff. I sat down and worked hard at making things better and better.

Snobbery? Probably a little but at the same time I've never been blown away by anything made with an MBox and a hacked version of Reason.

Squarepusher doing Do You Know Squarepusher with Reaktor...completely different story.

But the reality is while you CAN make good recordings with Low End Gear, there's a difference between Low End that knows it's low end and doing the best possible vs. trying to make beatz that are just bad Neptunes knockoffs and thinking it's the hottest thing ever created.
my post wasn't in reply to yours, but more on some stuff i've seen on slutz and a few comments here. i question the ops moan and blanket statements some chose to believe wholeheartedly and add more generalizations and not just of the forum.
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