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it seems like there's alot of bull**** to this production game
Old 10th September 2007
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it seems like there's alot of bull**** to this production game

from reading these threads on here over the past few weeks, it seems there's alot of other people behind the music than the listeners know

for instance, a track produced by just blaze has someone else playing original music they made on guitar over it and so and so but then it's created to sound like a sample

then the engineers are cutting and editing out the punchin's and effects

it's like a crew of 5-10 people making a song

and then the listeners think just blaze or whoever says produced by, did everything and the rapper just came in and rhymed

don't seem fair to me

it also seems to me with the way everything is created by different specialists in the studio and vocal editing with effects, that you can take basically any below average rapper and make him sound spectacular
Old 10th September 2007
  #2
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Red face you said it

OH MY GOODNESS! You are totally ON POINT!

This is exactly my observation too. It's true for almost all popular contemporary recorded music genres. It's part of the celebrity illusion that goes along with pitch correcting tricks and lip syncing.

But on the plus side, if you as a single individual make a good track that sounds good as a commercial hit, then you can be proud of the fact that you made something with hit potential all on your own, without an entourage/studio/label team.
Old 10th September 2007
  #3
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from reading these threads on here over the past few weeks, it seems there's alot of other people behind the music than the listeners know
that goes for any high paid profession, anywhere though. not to mention its how all great music is made. dark side of the moon wasn't made by 1 person, neither were any of the beatles albums, and so on.

the reason just gets the credit is because he oversees the whole project, he literally produces it. producing doesn't always mean sitting there and programming every last part of the song, the point is he has the vision which pulls the whole project together.

i've had this conversation with a few people who don't do music and i always say the same thing to them...bottom line, you can pick apart the way a producer works, how the beat came together, how someone else played the keys, etc, but the bottom line is, just blazes finished product, however it gets done, is better than 99.9% of producers, period. when its all said and done, a record has to get made one way or another, and just blaze (with help from his camp) puts together some of the best beats around, its really all there is to it.
Old 10th September 2007
  #4
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i want a camp and i want to make raw beats

i know i could do it if i had a camp and a studio

tell me how to get it
Old 10th September 2007
  #5
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Originally Posted by tonyscarbones View Post
from reading these threads on here over the past few weeks, it seems there's alot of other people behind the music than the listeners know

for instance, a track produced by just blaze has someone else playing original music they made on guitar over it and so and so but then it's created to sound like a sample

then the engineers are cutting and editing out the punchin's and effects

it's like a crew of 5-10 people making a song

and then the listeners think just blaze or whoever says produced by, did everything and the rapper just came in and rhymed

don't seem fair to me

it also seems to me with the way everything is created by different specialists in the studio and vocal editing with effects, that you can take basically any below average rapper and make him sound spectacular

That's exactly what a producer should do. Producers at that level are competing for the #1 spot. one person can't possibly be the best at every part of the production process. composing, recording, mixing, editing, vocal tuning
Using specialists allows you to spend your valuable time doing what your best at.

That being said, It is sad how many ****ty singers and rappers are turned into "stars" because of this process.

I just don't think that most people ( besides gearslutz) don't care how it happens. if they like the song that's it. Even if it is a autotuned/shined turd. dfegad
Old 10th September 2007
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Originally Posted by tonyscarbones View Post
from reading these threads on here over the past few weeks, it seems there's alot of other people behind the music than the listeners know
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it also seems to me with the way everything is created by different specialists in the studio and vocal editing with effects, that you can take basically any below average rapper and make him sound spectacular
OMG, reading your post made me feel totally cynical and jaded... I'm not really, but I just take it for granted this is how things work, many small fishes getting swallowed by the few big fish. I have tons of stories about people busting their talented asses only to have some big named producer get all the credit for doing what amounts to networking and name throwing... sucks, but yeah, that's how it has been for a long time.
Old 11th September 2007
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yes...well **** is wrong and stupid !!! most people don't know what they are doing... Most of what you hear and see is B.S !!!!!!!!

THE KEYS TO AMERICA..!!!!!!!! HYPE AND PERCEPTION
Old 11th September 2007
  #8
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its not wrong, just earned his spot by making incredible beats on his own, sleeping 2 hours a night for a couple years. don't act like the man hasn't paid his dues. the kid who's playing keyboards for him now is on the same grind and in a few years hopefully he's where just is now.

so for dude who asked how you get that shi*...you grind, all day for years, you earn it. you can't hate on just for recognizing there might be a keyboard player who can play his melody better, or an engineer who can make his stuff bang harder. that's just recognizing your own limitations.
Old 11th September 2007
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that you can take basically any below average rapper and make him sound spectacular
thats the point of production man, ideally you are working with very talented people but a very talented producer can make anyone sound incredible.
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