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If you're not rich, why do you hire professional cleaners?
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If you're not rich, why do you hire professional cleaners?

I'm not American, but grew up here almost all of my life. My parents are immigrants (obviously) and grew up in small towns/farms. I come from a family where we do our own cooking and cleaning.

When I started dating girls here in the US, it baffled me how middle-class people hire others to do their cleaning and cooking? I went to my ex's house and they didn't even have cooking oil for God's sake. Immediately I knew this wasn't going to work out. If you are middle class you have no business outsourcing cleaning or cooking. It's pure idiocy. Like you're that busy that you can't run a f*cking vacuum? Not even as exercise? You can go to the gym, go to yoga, pilates, and other dumb sh*t, but you can't vacuum your own house? And you don't have basic cooking essentials in your house?

I'm 31 and I don't understand how these people live. It's baffling and I just can't respect it. Because my parents were the hardest working people I ever met and they used to go to restaurants once a year, IF THAT. And they always cleaned their own house (which is a 5 bedroom mini-mansion). And they can afford to get their cleaning and cooking outsourced. But someone who is borderline poor? Nah.
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I buy take out for dinner maybe once every two weeks, but I do buy coffee and a muffin every day.
If I was richer I would hire a maid and a cook and get even fatter and lazier.
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I'm not American, but grew up here almost all of my life. My parents are immigrants (obviously) and grew up in small towns/farms. I come from a family where we do our own cooking and cleaning.

When I started dating girls here in the US, it baffled me how middle-class people hire others to do their cleaning and cooking? I went to my ex's house and they didn't even have cooking oil for God's sake. Immediately I knew this wasn't going to work out. If you are middle class you have no business outsourcing cleaning or cooking. It's pure idiocy. Like you're that busy that you can't run a f*cking vacuum? Not even as exercise? You can go to the gym, go to yoga, pilates, and other dumb sh*t, but you can't vacuum your own house? And you don't have basic cooking essentials in your house?

I'm 31 and I don't understand how these people live. It's baffling and I just can't respect it. Because my parents were the hardest working people I ever met and they used to go to restaurants once a year, IF THAT. And they always cleaned their own house (which is a 5 bedroom mini-mansion). And they can afford to get their cleaning and cooking outsourced. But someone who is borderline poor? Nah.
Since when do people live within their means?

31? Man. I wish I was 31 and idealistic again.......
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No, I don't have time to vacuum...I own an iRobot Roomba!

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I'm not American, but grew up here almost all of my life. My parents are immigrants (obviously) and grew up in small towns/farms. I come from a family where we do our own cooking and cleaning.

When I started dating girls here in the US, it baffled me how middle-class people hire others to do their cleaning and cooking? I went to my ex's house and they didn't even have cooking oil for God's sake. Immediately I knew this wasn't going to work out. If you are middle class you have no business outsourcing cleaning or cooking. It's pure idiocy. Like you're that busy that you can't run a f*cking vacuum? Not even as exercise? You can go to the gym, go to yoga, pilates, and other dumb sh*t, but you can't vacuum your own house? And you don't have basic cooking essentials in your house?

I'm 31 and I don't understand how these people live. It's baffling and I just can't respect it. Because my parents were the hardest working people I ever met and they used to go to restaurants once a year, IF THAT. And they always cleaned their own house (which is a 5 bedroom mini-mansion). And they can afford to get their cleaning and cooking outsourced. But someone who is borderline poor? Nah.
Do you live in a small town in rural America? Because it sounds to me like you are living in a city for the first time in your life.

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I'm not American, but grew up here almost all of my life. My parents are immigrants (obviously) and grew up in small towns/farms. I come from a family where we do our own cooking and cleaning.

When I started dating girls here in the US, it baffled me how middle-class people hire others to do their cleaning and cooking? I went to my ex's house and they didn't even have cooking oil for God's sake. Immediately I knew this wasn't going to work out. If you are middle class you have no business outsourcing cleaning or cooking. It's pure idiocy. Like you're that busy that you can't run a f*cking vacuum? Not even as exercise? You can go to the gym, go to yoga, pilates, and other dumb sh*t, but you can't vacuum your own house? And you don't have basic cooking essentials in your house?

I'm 31 and I don't understand how these people live. It's baffling and I just can't respect it. Because my parents were the hardest working people I ever met and they used to go to restaurants once a year, IF THAT. And they always cleaned their own house (which is a 5 bedroom mini-mansion). And they can afford to get their cleaning and cooking outsourced. But someone who is borderline poor? Nah.
Sorry you're upset, but who are you to judge how others spend their money? You are allowed to think their spending habits are stupid,but they might think that you are a judgmental d-bag and they might be right as well.

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Sorry you're upset, but who are you to judge how others spend their money? You are allowed to think their spending habits are stupid,but they might think that you are a judgmental d-bag and they might be right as well.

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I agree with you, but passive-aggressive much?
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Cool rant.

I love having a cleaner because my time is valuable. Once a fortnight and it doesn’t cost much at all. Maybe if you had a cleaner you would be less bitter?
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I went to my ex's house and they didn't even have cooking oil for God's sake. Immediately I knew this wasn't going to work out.
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Cool rant.

I love having a cleaner because my time is valuable. Once a fortnight and it doesn’t cost much at all. Maybe if you had a cleaner you would be less bitter?
I’m bitter because I quit smoking and I’m going through withdrawals. Maybe if I hired someone to smoke for me I would be less bitter.
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Cool rant.

I love having a cleaner because my time is valuable. Once a fortnight and it doesn’t cost much at all. Maybe if you had a cleaner you would be less bitter?
I run a not for profit auditorium, and if I wanted I could use my day to vacuum, clean the kitchen and bathrooms, and reposition the chairs, and pocket the money...but I rather pay a cleaner to do all that and have my day to do more productive, and enjoyable pursuits.
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Fantastic news!!! Well done!!! I quit five years ago and never looked back, feels great. Pro tip: spend what you save on pointless treats all the time in the first few weeks. Food better than you're used to, more.impulse shopping on Amazon etc. Best investment ever if it helps you to stay off the cigs.

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I’m bitter because I quit smoking and I’m going through withdrawals. Maybe if I hired someone to smoke for me I would be less bitter.
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I agree with you, but passive-aggressive much?
I wouldn't say "passive". I would say "diplomatic".

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Cool rant.

I love having a cleaner because my time is valuable. Once a fortnight and it doesn’t cost much at all. Maybe if you had a cleaner you would be less bitter?
Exactly. I do plenty of cleaning at home on a day to day, but I pay a cleaner for 3 hours work each week. They do a better job than I would in less time and I’d rather spend my time either working (at a higher hourly rate than I pay them), or playing with my family.

It’s about sensible use of resources. Why does a CEO have a PA? Why does he fly first class when economy saves the company money and still gets you there in the same amount of time? Sensible use of resources.
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It’s about sensible use of resources.
This.

Sometimes spending money elsewhere in life gives more time in your day to get other, important things done.

Life is forever a compromise between money and time.
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As a number of ex-girlfriends have told me, "You're a lousy housekeeper." To which I usually replied, "Well, you're a lousy recording engineer." In my world, at least, recording engineers got paid a lot more per hour than housekeepers - so I paid the professionals to do well what I did poorly, which ended up saving me money.
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BTW, I think we should start a "why do you do dry-cleaning, can't you do it yourself?" thread.
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Also btw, this FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS GONE WILD
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BTW, I think we should start a "why do you do dry-cleaning, can't you do it yourself?" thread.
Dry cleaning takes specialist equipment and skill right?
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If you have work, and your rate is higher than a cleaner then its crazy not to hire one. Unless cleaning is a hobby for you I guess.
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It only takes like an hour to clean a pretty big house. How much do you guys make an hour that you can afford to pay someone over $100? Don’t you worry about letting complete strangers into your home, who then go through all the corners of your home and know exactly where everything is - knowing all your expensive equipment?

That cleaning lady can tell someone else about your home and your schedule. She can steal a key if she doesn’t already have one. They can break into your home while you’re not there. Or maybe you’ll lose something small like a watch or an iPod, and you won’t be able to ever really know who did it.

When I was younger I had some acquaintances that would break into peoples houses and steal. I’ve been witness to armed robberies. I know druggies that wouldn’t think twice about it. So to me it’s not only impractical, but foolish to have a stranger clean your house.

Some of you just never learned how to clean properly, or cook, and that’s fine. I personally take pride in doing things my way - the right way. Nobody will do as good of a job as I because I am a detailed person. We did in fact have cleaners come 3 times as an experiment. Each one did a poor job. Corners were not vacuumed. Under the tables the same. Hair behind the toilets. They just didn’t do a good job. And for the money I could do it myself and do it right.

I’m just saying that I know people much richer than you guys who clean their own house and are much busier people. If they can do it, you can do it. So to me it’s kind of silly and in a way snobby to have someone clean your crap. I even find sort of disrespectful and shameful. I know people that live like animals because hey, they don’t have to clean anyway. It’s just disgusting. My home, and that of my family is always clean because we keep it that way. And when we do clean, it doesn’t take as long.

I get it though. You think your time is more valuable, cool.
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And not only that, you guys have time to come bicker ON HERE and you don’t have an hour a week?!? Give me a break! No arguments left, sorry.
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this thread started funny but now it's just creepy
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this thread started funny but now it's just creepy
How?
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It only takes like an hour to clean a pretty big house.
If that's true, you could easily clean six big houses in a day and make big money, assuming fifteen minutes per house travel time. I'm not adding in a lunch break because housekeepers are dishonest, so your customers will expect you to raid their fridge.
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If that's true, you could easily clean six big houses in a day and make big money, assuming fifteen minutes per house travel time. I'm not adding in a lunch break because housekeepers are dishonest, so your customers will expect you to raid their fridge.
You clean where you live. If you have a 3 floor house, you don't live on all 3 floors all the time. You clean where you travel mostly. If you have a big family, you get them to participate. That's how it's done in the rest of the world, except foo foo a$$ America and a few other places.
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Perfect. Travel to the rest of the world. And clean it.
I don't have to, they do their own cleaning.


You guys cannot argue with me with anything logical because you know I'm right. It's pure laziness and you try to mask it with "but I'm too busy. but my time is too valuable." Psssh give me a break! I'm done with this thread. You all know what I think.
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You clean where you live. If you have a 3 floor house, you don't live on all 3 floors all the time. You clean where you travel mostly. If you have a big family, you get them to participate. That's how it's done in the rest of the world, except foo foo a$$ America and a few other places.
"Oh, Jimmy, honey. I was just in the third floor parlor of our big American house and it's covered in cobwebs and rodent feces. What shall we do?"

"Third floor parlor? I haven't been there in years. You went in there and you're part of this big family... clean it your damn self."
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