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Old 10th November 2017
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Another engineer owning Manley Gold recently told me that Ref C does not have as much headroom.
Checking the specs on these Manley pages, the Max SPL spec is identical between those two mics: 150dB.

Reference Mono Gold | Manley Labs

Reference Cardioid | Manley Labs

That's the only info I have.
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Old 10th November 2017
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Love the sound of the Manley Gold!
Old 25th November 2017
  #213
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Best male vocal mic?

Hi, I have a voice that I would describe as somewhat similar to Bryan Ferry, Dave Graham (Depeche Mode), and David Bowie. What microphone would you recommend for my home studio? I would rather pay the $$ than be unsatisfied with my purchase. I have a TLM103, but am not satisfied, even after having payed a relatively high price to get my recordings mixed. I run my mic through a Neve Portico 5032 and a Warm Audio WA76.

I was thinking of upgrading to an M147, but after reading the forums, I believe that I would not be able to make it sound good enough (I am far from an engineer). After reading a bit, there seems to be so many options... M149, Lawson L-47, Cactus, Flead, etc... For a voice like I have described, what would your experience lead you to recommend?

Thanks
Old 26th November 2017
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Hi, I have a voice that I would describe as somewhat similar to Bryan Ferry, Dave Graham (Depeche Mode), and David Bowie. What microphone would you recommend for my home studio? I would rather pay the $$ than be unsatisfied with my purchase. I have a TLM103, but am not satisfied, even after having payed a relatively high price to get my recordings mixed. I run my mic through a Neve Portico 5032 and a Warm Audio WA76.

I was thinking of upgrading to an M147, but after reading the forums, I believe that I would not be able to make it sound good enough (I am far from an engineer). After reading a bit, there seems to be so many options... M149, Lawson L-47, Cactus, Flead, etc... For a voice like I have described, what would your experience lead you to recommend?

Thanks
I believe Bowie was partial to the Manley Gold mics from the early 2000s on, which many people describe as sounding in the C12 family. Of course, I've also read about him tracking many vocals with u67s and u47s in the older days.

Same with Bryan Ferry...I've read of him using u47s and also CM67SEs, which are u67-ish mics.

And 67s, 47s, and C12s are three pretty different sounding mics, so I don't know what that tells you. (Also I should add that I have never heard the Advanced Audio mic in person, so I don't know how close it is to an actual u67).
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Old 4th December 2017
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(Updated after blindly listening several times)

Finally downloaded the Hi-res files.

Standouts for me:

-Telefunken U47. For me this was the best hands down on BOTH voices.
-Sounddelux U99 (lo-mids !)

other standouts
-Redd (only if you're seeking ultra definition up high)
-AT5040 Sounded really nice!
-Lauten LA320
-Shure KSM44
-Miktek CV4
-Bock 251 (preferred it to the Tele)
-U87AI
-Blue Bottle SL

To be honest I wasn't totally in love with the REDD mic even though I just ordered one. I felt that the high end sheen was a bit too much despite it's elegance and smoothness. Curious to hear it with the "Drive" knob pumped a bit.

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Old 7th December 2017
  #216
I'm gonna get the Lauten 320 or 2 I think. It sounds like the Bock 251 in terms of that top.
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Old 7th December 2017
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I'm gonna get the Lauten 320 or 2 I think. It sounds like the Bock 251 in terms of that top.
Hey Paul....did you ever keep the REDD you were demoing? Why not use the red for that euphoric broad high?
Old 7th December 2017
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Hey Paul....did you ever keep the REDD you were demoing? Why not use the red for that euphoric broad high?
I got 2 now and I love them. I'm a collector and I like options. The Lauten sounds pretty good to me for the price.....
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Old 8th December 2017
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I'm gonna get the Lauten 320 or 2 I think. It sounds like the Bock 251 in terms of that top.
Paul, thank you very much for the info !

Yes, you are right...... very near..... unbelievable.
And the Book 251 was one of my favorite mics.

Ordered just now a 320 stereo pair on my local musicshop.

Hope, it's a good decision

Keep also an eye on the Soundelux U99.

R.

Last edited by Rolf Ebitsch; 8th December 2017 at 09:46 PM..
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Old 8th December 2017
  #220
That Sweetwater Mic Shootout is really useful.
From beginners to old hands pros.



R.
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Old 8th December 2017
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Paul, thank you very much for the info !

Yes, you are right...... very near..... unbelievable.
And the Book 251 was one of my favorite mics.

Ordered just now a 320 stereo pair on my local musicshop.

Hope, it's a good decision

Keep also an eye on the Soundelux U99.

R.
Thanks Man, funnily I just bought 2 also. I think that Lauten 320 is the bargain of the shootout.
Very similar to the 251's in the top end on my studio monitors and headphones.
I can't believe the price.....

I like the Soundelux U99 a lot, it has a beautiful mellow, mid range warmth, but I have that already with vintage U87, SM69 tube, Blackspade UM17B & Horch RMJ2.

Now with the 2 x REDD , 2 Sony C800G, my C24 and these I have the sweet top end covered plus a big collection of great ribbons.

I'm a very happy recordist. Thanks again @ Lynn Fuston for these demonstrations!
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Old 8th December 2017
  #222
Wow a bit of OEKSoothe on that 320 and you can't tell it apart on my PMC IB2i's. I hope they all sound that good. Incredible value.
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Old 9th December 2017
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Damnit @ Paul_G

Thought I was done testing mics. Nope, LA-320 coming tomorrow
Old 12th December 2017
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Update: The Lauten LA320 is ridiculously good. Can't believe it's so cheap, it holds up against some £££ mics. Doesn't have the open/spacious top end of the bigger mics but pound-for-pound it's a champ.

Very good with sibilance and plosives too. Especially the latter.
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Old 12th December 2017
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I did my first vocal mic shootout with 49 mics back in 2000. Never thought I'd do that again. Moral of that story? "Never say never."

Apples to apples? All's fair in love and vocal mics. I've used condensers, dynamics, ribbons, even telephone receivers.

Thanks for the thx. I hope it was a good resource for the music industry.
I bought that product back then. It was an awesome eye opener for me as there was no real way to get hold of some of those you had in the shootout. It was very thoroughly and nicely done too.

Cheers for doing this again!
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Old 15th December 2017
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I bought that product back then. It was an awesome eye opener for me as there was no real way to get hold of some of those you had in the shootout. It was very thoroughly and nicely done too.

Cheers for doing this again!
You are very welcome. I'm glad Sweetwater is open to committing the substantial resources it takes to execute these types of listening comparisons.

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Old 21st December 2017
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Another 2 cents which ain't worth 2 cents.

Redd is amazing and I think the best on this test.

Also really enjoyed the Manley Ref, Soundeluxe U99 and surprised by the Avanetone cv12.

Really let down by the Bock 251. Is it that big of a difference from the tele 251?

I actually preferred the Bock to the Tele 251 on both voices.
Old 16th January 2018
  #228
Finally got around to listening to this shootout and couldn't believe how thin the TLM49 sounded. It has the K47 capsule that experts like Klaus says is a great capsule. Was there an issue with the recording or do the electronics make this one of the thinnest mics of the shootout?

Downloaded the raw tracks and several of us listened to just the male raw vocal that used mics we could possibly afford - <$2K
Blind test just based on what we enjoyed listening to and ones that had a polished sound that didn't get gritty or breakup when the singer got louder and higher.
Surprising winner and a mic I haven't been around for a decade the AKG 414XLIII, along with the Soundelux U195, Mojave 300.

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Old 25th January 2018
  #229
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Finally got around to listening to this shootout and couldn't believe how thin the TLM49 sounded. It has the K47 capsule that experts like Klaus says is a great capsule. Was there an issue with the recording or do the electronics make this one of the thinnest mics of the shootout?
I found the TLM 49 extremely thin and unflattering on my tenor voice. A friend loved his for vocals but had a fuller, louder natural singing voice.

EDIT: Currently using a TLM 102 on my vocals and love it.
Old 25th January 2018
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Try something that doesn't start with TL.
Old 25th January 2018
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Try something that doesn't start with TL.
I’ve “tried” plenty of mics that don’t start with TL... including a U87ai I used to own. I prefer the TLM 102 on vocals over that and many other far more expensive mics.
Old 25th January 2018
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I’ve “tried” plenty of mics that don’t start with TL... including a U87ai I used to own. I prefer the TLM 102 on vocals over that and many other far more expensive mics.
By "on vocals," do you mean on your voice or in general?
Old 26th January 2018
  #233
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By "on vocals," do you mean on your voice or in general?
I am primarily using it on my voice but other singers love my 102 on their voice as well.
Old 2nd February 2018
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I'm gonna get the Lauten 320 or 2 I think. It sounds like the Bock 251 in terms of that top.
How does this mic stand up to the others you are using? Seems to good to be true.
Old 2nd February 2018
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How does this mic stand up to the others you are using? Seems to good to be true.
It does seem too good to be true. Once you've put some old warm Mullard tubes in to replace the cheap, Chinese, crappy 12AX7 harsh ones it sounds great! The only snag is the fixed cardioid pattern. For £350 it's unbeatable for a mic with a modern bright top end with class.
I just add some lows like a 200 hz wide bump and it's record ready.
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Old 2nd February 2018
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It does seem too good to be true. Once you've put some old warm Mullard tubes in to replace the cheap, Chinese, crappy 12AX7 harsh ones it sounds great! The only snag is the fixed cardioid pattern. For £350 it's unbeatable for a mic with a modern bright top end with class.
I just add some lows like a 200 hz wide bump and it's record ready.
I've been eyeing a Manley ref C, but everyone wants to find the one mic that works for less. Chandler REDD looks cool too.
Old 19th February 2018
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When this came out, I started working on a Logic Pro X session file to organize the samples for both blind and non-blind listening. I just opened that up again and am getting close to finishing. I will post a link to that file when I do finish, which, Lynn, Sweetwater is free to use if they so desire.

Interestingly, in putting in markers for blind listening on the female voice, I kept on being struck by one particular sample, and after the playhead passed by it several times, I zoomed in on the region to reveal the mic name, and was shocked to find out it was the Blue Bluebird... a microphone I owned once upon a time. That mic works really well for that singer.
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Old 21st February 2018
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I've been eyeing a Manley ref C, but everyone wants to find the one mic that works for less. Chandler REDD looks cool too.
Yeah I got 2 Chandlers. They are wonderful and are fast replacing my Sony's C800G as my favourite mic.
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Old 16th March 2018
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This shoot out really proved to me that there is no significant difference between the most expensive mic and the cheapest.
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Old 16th March 2018
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This shoot out really proved to me that there is no significant difference between the most expensive mic and the cheapest.
I love how everyone hears something different. That's true in so many facets of recording.
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