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Subwoofer in a small/medium sized room
Old 3 weeks ago
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Subwoofer in a small/medium sized room

Hi,

I am on my way to putting most of my available cash into a new soundsystem and am on the fence whether I should get nearfield monitors with 6,5-7 inch woofers or smaller monitors and a sub.

My lifestyle requires me to move around twice a year, so I want a universal solution. My studio will always be placed in a bedroom/living room with dimensions 15x13x8 feet or smaller. (in meters it's about 4,5x3,5x2,5) My rooms will always have corner bass traps and a few broadband absorbtion panels. My budget is up to 3500$

What are your opinions? Is a sub something I should consider with these restrictions that I have or will it just create problems? I do want everything I DO decide to put into my room to contribute to the best possible/cleanest audio reproduction and probably will not miss those low frequencies if make the rest of the image worse.

All the best,
Henri
Old 3 weeks ago
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Thank you for the read, it was great & intriguing information for me. Makes a lot of sense.

Do you think this speaks FOR or AGAINST a sub then? This is a post about big monitors.

Let's say larger monitors + sub is also an option. What do you all think is the optimal choice? I am mostly concerned about a sub's behaviour with small room acoustics.
Old 3 weeks ago
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Thanks, will look into subs much deeper then and start testing suitable options!
Old 3 weeks ago
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Im all for multiple subs
Old 2 weeks ago
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I have said this before. Most rooms I get to see here would benefit from sub support up, not down. Running a sub up to 100 or even 120 Hz may help plug holes caused by interference or modal nulls.

And once you use a sub for its 40-100 Hz, not for 50 Hz down, it makes sense to buy two smaller subs.

Of course, small drivers mean more distortion and only you know how loud you listen.
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Im all for multiple subs
For modern pop/hip hop multiple subs are an absolute necessity
Old 2 weeks ago
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Thanks guys, great thoughts once again. You are giving new ideas that are easy to relate to and understand.

I guess in a small space with not perfect acoustic treatment, 40hz and above is the actual best range to use a sub for? As below that the room would distort the sound waves anyway?

If getting a sub or two, the idea would be to use the sub for having even less bass than the monitor offers, but just a much cleaner bass. And also giving the monitor woofer more headroom. Is this the case in real life?

Do you have recommendations for very fast and snappy subs with a good transient response? I guess closed enclosure is the way to go?
Old 2 weeks ago
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I guess in a small space with not perfect acoustic treatment, 40hz and above is the actual best range to use a sub for?
Depends on where your room modes and interferences/modal nulls are. Could be up to 100 Hz or even higher.

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As below that the room would distort the sound waves anyway?
The room doesn't distort but (on average, I think) small drivers will distort more than larger drivers at low frequencies.

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Do you have recommendations for very fast and snappy subs with a good transient response? I guess closed enclosure is the way to go?
https://data-bass.com/ (best domain name ever)
Old 2 weeks ago
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all sound alteration is a distortion so a room can add distortions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distortion
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all sound alteration is a distortion so a room can add distortions
Good luck finding a room that doesn't distort then.
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Good luck finding a room that doesn't distort then.
It's the goal of this forum.

A sub without distortion, this is a question for Jens Eklund.
Old 2 weeks ago
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If i recall correctly Boggy reccomended to leave the speakers full range, using subs to fill in what's necessary.

The other school of thought is to pump less bass from the mains (hpf, room placement, crossovers) and use the sub for LF, leaving more headroom / less distortion in the main amps/speakers.

Im not sure there is a universal "right" answer, for this one.
Old 2 weeks ago
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I just added our fresh results with pair of 8'' speakers and nothing but pair of subs and simple crossovers (done with RME TotalmixFX EQ) without any additional DSP on this thread: Add a sub instead of even more bass trapping to even out freq response?

Maybe some of you guys could take a look and give some additional thoughts.
Old 1 week ago
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So I now had time to test everything out and I decided to go with Adam S2V without a sub. It is a beautiful sounding speaker with a lot of calibration options and fits perfectly into my studio sound-wise. Very transient rich but soft sounding high end, quite a forward sounding midrange and a deep, musical bass that is just present enough. I also have Audeze LCD headphones to check the really low stuff.

From my experience with a sub - if I were to buy subs, I would buy 2 with closed cabinets and DSP. That would probably give an amazing addition to the sound, but It does not seem necessary in any way and at the moment seems like a better idea to put the money on treatment.

Thanks for the inputs, guys!
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