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Old 29th June 2020
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Blank Slate - What would you do?

Hey guys,

Man, I used to be a regular here YEARS ago. Much of what I've learned I attribute to y'all. Looking for some advice...

Our church is renovating a 110,00 sq ft workout facility into a church. And, as part of that, we've been allocated with a space to dedicate solely to filming, recording, video editing, and mixing.

Primary use: Film studio for testimonies, ministry partners, and announcements, record live music, and mix & video edit suite.

Here are the non-negotiables:
--Budget is small
--Warehouse/Industrial vibe
--Space is a 20'x40' box, likely 14' ceilings
--Must fit a full band, with 2-3 person film crew
--One wall must be concrete look (using perma board/hardi backer)
--One large section of another wall or corner must be a cyc wall/infinity wall
--Control room to fit Amek Recall 56 and a small video editing station
--Control room must have 18% grey paint on any line of sight area around video desk
--Small mic locker/storage closet

Here's where the blank slate comes in:
--Any kind of power, wherever we need it
--Shape and layout inside 20x40 box

Isolation is of medium concern. We'd likely be the loudest in area due to drum kit bothering offices, so I would like to double sheetrock (maybe whisper clips?), along with a double door as entrance, though scheduling recording times is easiest workaround.

Acoustically, I'd like to avoid parallel walls in tracking room and also minimize reflections and rt60, shooting for minimum ambience and maximum flexibility for mic placement. Ceiling will be wooden truss/rafters, with decking and storage above (total 30' ceiling to work with, but upper half is storage). I was planning on Owens Corning Select Sound Black acoustic board or similar covering whole ceiling and wherever won't be on camera. At minimum, treat first reflection points in control room.

We can splay inner walls as needed to break reflections. I was thinking that i vertically angle the infinity wall to throw sound up into the soft ceiling?

Heating and cooling will be handled by mini splits, so only ventilation baffling will be required.

This will be sharing a long wall with the auditorium, directly backstage. There will be no access from auditorium, but can run tie lines to stage if needed as conduit and pull box terminate behind wall. Would love a different location or heavier isolation, but due to budget and layout of other parts of building, this is what we have! The good thing is that there will be VERY little need to use both rooms simultaneously.

Attached is what I had in mind, along with an example of our current space--a loading dock from an old Kroger!

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Old 29th June 2020
Good luck with the project but I think for something like this you should be working with a professional, despite the budget.
Old 30th June 2020
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Hi wesarvin, I remember that avatar!

Soundman2020 has a good example of what can happen if an acoustician is not part of the desogn team: Architects and churches... Your desire to splay the inner walls reminded me of this story - because they won't break reflections, they will just bounce them to one end of the room where they will still need dealing with.
Old 30th June 2020
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Thanks guys!

For clarification, the chicken scratch drawing is the idea for the new place. The video is our current setup. I'm attaching a BTS photo of our current setup for context. Literally par cans and shower curtains for lighting, pipe and drape, my personal rack rig, etc. It's a make shift studio we cobbled together at the start of COVID. The problem is we've got to move out of building in about a week, and construction of new spot is happening within 2 weeks. We're moving whole church into new building, and tenant is coming into old building...all while church is currently online.

This will be a very simple space. As far as live room goes, I'd like something that drums sound good in, while there's not too much spill washing around into a vocal mic. It's quite possible--as we've done it in the above example with a 25'x50' concrete box... Now, what isn't seen are the walls off camera are all heavy drape and 4'x8' rockwool panels.

As for control room, a decent room ratio and volume with rfz paneling and basic bass trapping is all I desire.

For tracking room, it's a big box that we can fit a band and some cameras into. Not a world-class studio. Non-parallel is my idea to break flutter where feasible. If it's better to treat flutter with diffraction/diffusion and/or absorption whilst keeping parallel walls, I'm open to that. I personally prefer bright rooms--great low trapping and diffuse highs (something I dearly miss from my old garage studio with an 80/20 slat wall treatment).

I agree that moving a few lines now is cheaper than rebuilding walls. What are some alternative ideas to the above layout?
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Last edited by wesarvin; 30th June 2020 at 08:22 AM..
Old 3rd July 2020
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For what it’s worth… I work for a church and just recently built a studio for it. If I could do it again I would scratch the idea of separate rooms. One big open space with the desk situated where it would make sense is much more appealing to me and practically helpful. Unless of course you are mixing live music for live broadcast.
Old 3rd July 2020
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How cheap is the budget? Typical build costs 150$/ft² minimum. Who is building it? DIY? Do the bylaws permit HVAC in that design? Is the ceiling a roof also. Is the concrete for looks? Concrete is a strong sound reflector. nWhat options have you considered.
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