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Rubber underlayment on top of thick concrete floor slab?
Old 22nd June 2020
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Rubber underlayment on top of thick concrete floor slab?

Hi all - first post.

I'm endeavoring to build a very small recording / mixing combo room (Trying to follow Rod's book to the extent that I can) and have a specific flooring question.

In my situation, I had a very thick concrete pad poured to raise floor level. I won't get into specifics on why or what else I could have done - it's done & was my only option. So, I have a very thick, smooth concrete pad for a floor (not polished /shiny).


I was advised by a sound engineer who came out to consult me on some aspects of the room (a year ago, when I knew even less than I do now, and hadn't yet started to read Rod's book or to review this forum), and he told me that "It's great from an isolation standpoint that you have this solid massive concrete floor - if you want to do a hardwood floor over it (I do), then you should put a rubber underlayment underneath - the stuff they make from recycled tires", and mentioned that he thought I would improve the acoustics of the room from doing this. From my memory of my conversation, it seems that he thought this would make the room a bit 'softer' in terms of reflectivity - which is probably a good/necessary thing in my context.

Now, I know that the underlayment will help with impact noise, but I'm wondering about thickness to use. I saw Andre comment on a somewhat related forum that a thin layer of underlayment may make things worse in some situations. So, I'm wondering if someone can advise on this?

My primary concern is getting the best acoustics I can in what will already be an acoustically-problematic small room (12.5' X 6.5' with a vaulted ceiling that goes from 8' height to 10.5' height. Isolation shouldn't really be the driving force on this one.

This room will be 95% used for me recording my acoustic guitar parts, & the odd electric guitar parts, maybe vocals. No drums, no full bands, etc, so the lowest frequencies aren't my main concern. Practice with my songwriting partner, etc.


Product that I'm seeing is:

https://www.tmsoundproofing.com/Rubber-Underlayment-for-Floors.html?sku=SHS600[/URL]

Spec sheets are attached for different thicknesses.

for 6mm (1/4") thick material, $200 will cover my floor, price jumps to $300 to cover at 12mm (1/2").


Any ideas - I see some posts about underlayments over wooden floor joists, multi-floor structures, but haven't seen one for the concrete slab situations I'm in.

Thanks if you have any idea on how I might proceed.
Old 23rd June 2020
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Old 23rd June 2020
  #3
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Really? I saw that thread you linked & couldn't make much sense of it. I guess my takeaway from the discussion was that it basically doesn't matter what your floor is - in that all surfaces are reflective. What matters is resonance.

I'm pretty new to this, so I'm thinking that a thick-ass slab of concrete is not going to be resonating with me playing my acoustic guitar (I'm not tracking big-time stuff, bands, or bass-heavy frequencies). So, given that I wanted to do hardwood, the rubberized pad was supposed to I guess provide some absorbative dampening effect, make footfalls quieter obviously, and maybe diminish the intensity of the reflections from the hardwood floor in the room.

Tile is also an interesting idea, though as a homeowner, I'll be staying away from asbestos.

What's tough is that my room is small!

Thanks for the reply. If you had any other input, it's definitely welcome.
Old 24th June 2020
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You can install the flooring using standard flooring techniques without issue. The underlayment can be a vapour barrier and also provide a bit of cushon making the floor more comfortable to stand on.
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