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Am I "killing" the sound in my room with Clearsonic S2466 Sorber?
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Am I "killing" the sound in my room with Clearsonic S2466 Sorber?

Am I "killing" the sound in my room with Clearsonic S2466 Sorber?
https://www.thomann.de/dk/clearsonic..._2d_sorber.htm

I have a lot of Clearsonic S2466 and I'm starting to think that they actually make my room sonds wores. Killing a lot of the high mid frequency.

Using Sonarworks 4 the top end / high mid sounds much better in my monitors.

I have som EQ Acoustics Spectrum 2 L10C Bass Trap and some Hofa Basstrap perhaps it's better just too use them and only using the Clearsonic S2466 Sorber for vocal booth?

As you can see in the picture my room is very uregular :-)
What would you suggest?
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What would you suggest?
I would suggest moving your speakers back so that they are next to the front wall. I would also suggest raising them up - if the headrest on the chair is at head height then the speakers certainly are not. I would suggest removing the headrest on the chair to avoid unwanted reflections from it. I would also suggest you put some absorption at the first reflection point on the ceiling, extend the back corners bass traps all the way up to the ceiling and treat the wall-ceiling corners with broadband absorption - although the last item I would leave until you have measured what I will suggest below.

It is hardly surprising that you think those absorbers are killing a lot of your high mid frequencies as they are too thin to be effective as broadband absorbers. Their usefulness will tail off down to useless at around 2kHz and lower. It looks from the photo that you have quite a few of them. Stack them at least 3 deep, 5 or deep would be better and measure the room's acoustics before and after as I think you will see a flatter frequency response but, at this point, worse decay (waterfall).

Post your mdat file and hopefully someone here will cast a critical eye over it to help you know what needs doing next.
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PS. You had ceiling absorbers 18 months ago (See Bass traps in 3 corners of a square small room). What happened?

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PS. You had ceiling absorbers 18 months ago (See Bass traps in 3 corners of a square small room). What happened?

new room :-)
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I would suggest moving your speakers back so that they are next to the front wall. I would also suggest raising them up - if the headrest on the chair is at head height then the speakers certainly are not. I would suggest removing the headrest on the chair to avoid unwanted reflections from it. I would also suggest you put some absorption at the first reflection point on the ceiling, extend the back corners bass traps all the way up to the ceiling and treat the wall-ceiling corners with broadband absorption - although the last item I would leave until you have measured what I will suggest below.

It is hardly surprising that you think those absorbers are killing a lot of your high mid frequencies as they are too thin to be effective as broadband absorbers. Their usefulness will tail off down to useless at around 2kHz and lower. It looks from the photo that you have quite a few of them. Stack them at least 3 deep, 5 or deep would be better and measure the room's acoustics before and after as I think you will see a flatter frequency response but, at this point, worse decay (waterfall).

Post your mdat file and hopefully someone here will cast a critical eye over it to help you know what needs doing next.
The monitors tweeter is at ear level, so that's should be fine.
Do you suggest moving them closer to the wall (the wall have windows)?
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Do you suggest moving them closer to the wall (the wall have windows)?
Yes, I do. Here is Soundman2020's explanation about speaker placement for someone who, like you, has a window in his front wall.
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Yes, I do. Here is Soundman2020's explanation about speaker placement for someone who, like you, has a window in his front wall.
I think his problem was the window on the right side ... not in front of him
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You are not moving your speakers because of the window but because minimising SBIR is beneficial. Focus on that aspect of having your speakers as close as possible to the front wall.
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The monitors tweeter is at ear level, so that's should be fine.
Actually, that's a common misconception. It's not the tweeter you want to have at ear level, but rather the acoustic axis of the speaker. For a typical two-way studio monitor, the acoustic axis is roughly at the mid point between the center of the woofer and the center of the tweeter. Also, it's generally better for other reasons to have the acoustic axis a little above ear height (eg, it can reduce the mid-range dip from the desk/console, reduce reflections from the desk/console, reduce comb filtering, etc.) That's why Starlight was saying that your speakers are too low. But no more than a couple of inches higher.

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Do you suggest moving them closer to the wall (the wall have windows)?
Yes. That will reduce the SBIR problem, since it will drive the SBIR dip up into the lower mid range, where it is less objectionable, less intense, and more easily treatable.

- Stuart -

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Starligt, Soundman2020
Thanks - really appreciate your answers
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