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I just moved my monitors 6 feet apart and . .
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I just moved my monitors 6 feet apart and . .

I have a whole new room/listening experience!

My 13' x16' room is treated with rockwool bass traps in corners, and lots of broadband absorption, plus ceiling cloud. I have had my speakers spaced about 3 feet apart for a long time, and decided to try a wider spacing.

Oh my.

It's like I have this huge soundstage! Instruments that were hard to place in the stereo image are now as if they are right in front of me. At this point, I don't care if it's "accurate" . .. I'm just digging listening to all the music I love in a new way!
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The best way to decide speakers position is using a software measurement. You can even use ears plugs for this, while looking at the graphics improvement :-) . 3 for 6 feet is a huge difference. I´d say 1" is noticiable, and change the things for better or worse, and it´s a matter of measure (and let the ears decide of course, as you did in your room). Also what you´re hearing is probably more low end - since the speakers are closer to the side walls.
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The shorter they placed near the wall, they more comes the comp-filtering in an area where our ears working more accurate (if there is not good absorption placed).
To check a good place a measuring system is fine for lower frequencies. But for (low) mids and above you must use your ears, which working much better than any measuring instrument.

Maybe now you are having more space between your speaker and your ears also?
A lot of people sitting (much) too close to their 2-way (or more) speaker system. Then it isn´t possible to have a perfect middle, reflections from the table or mixer tiring your ears and a lot of other things. This is very stressful for your ears/brain because it isn´t natural.

Finally the exact same distance to your speakers for left and right side is very important (use a laser distance meter).
If you doing that all correct and your speaker is good enough you should have the feeling that the singer is directly in front of you on good records.
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3 feet from tweeter to tweeter? That seems extremely narrow.
6 seems fine depending on room size, mine are currently at 5 feet.
But as Ciro said, measuring can greatly help in determining the best location for each speaker, the two combined, and the listener position. All of which are interdependent.
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The shorter they placed near the wall, they more comes the comp-filtering in an area where our ears working more accurate (if there is not good absorption placed
Sorry but I would have to disagree. Most speakers have little to no HF or MF to the rear. At LF, comb filtering, the SBIR null, is non existent when the speaker is flush in the wall. Next best is as close as possible. The often seen 2-3 feet from the wall will create a massive null in the 70-100 area, which will probably coincide with the ceiling floor null.
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3 feet from tweeter to tweeter? That seems extremely narrow.
6 seems fine depending on room size, mine are currently at 5 feet. . . .
Most speakers have little to no HF or MF to the rear. At LF, comb filtering, the SBIR null, is non existent when the speaker is flush in the wall. Next best is as close as possible. The often seen 2-3 feet from the wall will create a massive null in the 70-100 area, which will probably coincide with the ceiling floor null.
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Honored to have you respond to my thread.
My speakers are indeed flush against the wall. Maybe 4 feet to either side wall. It's just my amazement at how the stereo picture opened up with this wider spacing. And it helps that a) my room is fairly well damped, and b) I'm using DIRAC live. All I want to do is sit here and listen to music I love, especially my ECM collection.

I guess some actual mixes done with this setup will tell more.
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Thank you for the kind words. A refreshing change from way too much of the opposite we see around here.

Same here. Highly damped, Neumann KH320, Dirac Live.
I use variations on the Bruel and Kjaer curve, which softens the too clear sound in a highly damped room, and causes very reliable translation to other peoples speakers.

DD
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Did I miss where the OP stated the distance from the speaker line to the listener?
If you don’t have a console and sit three feet from the speaker line, a six foot split doesn’t seem right. Yes, the stereo field will be dramatic to you, but in the mixes...?
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Did I miss where the OP stated the distance from the speaker line to the listener?
If you don’t have a console and sit three feet from the speaker line, a six foot split doesn’t seem right. Yes, the stereo field will be dramatic to you, but in the mixes...?
I'm in an equilateral triangle. Six, six, and six.
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I use variations on the Bruel and Kjaer curve, which softens the too clear sound in a highly damped room, and causes very reliable translation to other peoples speakers.

DD
I shall seek out this B&K curve . . .
And I note with an Irish twinkle (my great-grandfather was keeper of the locks at Monasterevan) your proper spelling of "honour".
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I'm in an equilateral triangle. Six, six, and six.
We’re you 3, 3 and 3 before, or were you 6, 6, and 3? If you were the latter, you should be more correct now, and the sound field should translate well.

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Thank you for the kind words. A refreshing change from way too much of the opposite we see around here.

Same here. Highly damped, Neumann KH320, Dirac Live.
I use variations on the Bruel and Kjaer curve, which softens the too clear sound in a highly damped room, and causes very reliable translation to other peoples speakers.

DD
Do you have a link or an explanation of the B&K curve?
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I'm in an equilateral triangle. Six, six, and six.
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