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Old 11th March 2014
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Admittedly I own no rock much less other genres physically and honestly the first time I ever heard some rock as a youngster was this




In the present era I dig this:

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Among at least a segment of younger generations, there has been a backlash in the vein of establishing one's own identity contra older generations, maybe with a bit of Bloom's "Anxiety of Influence" in it in this case, and it's also partly in rebellion directed at baby boomers who have the reins of much of the media and who just won't stop talking about (or creating radio formats that only play) The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, The Who, etc. . . . and of course The Beatles.

I think that's understandable, even if I don't agree with the opinions . . . though of course I'm a baby boomer. But it's kinda like if you were born in the 50s or 60s, imagine that during the 70s, people born in the 20s and 30s had control of most of the media, and imagine that the media was all-pervasive in the 70s (imagine the Internet, mobile devices, etc. being around then), and imagine that popular culture magazines, TV shows, websites, etc. just wouldn't shut up about Louis Armstrong, Bix Biederbecke, Benny Goodman and Al Bowlly, to the almost complete neglect of artists like The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, etc. Also imagine that there was a popular radio format, found on multiple stations in most markets in the 1970s, that only played Armstrong, etc. You'd probably rebel against that, too, even if under different circumstances, you'd maybe embrace those older artists.

It's basically another example of the fact that hyping something too much easily backfires.
This. 100% this. Except that I'd add Glenn Miller, Lawrence Welk, Stan Kenton and a few of the more bland big bands to that list and completely remove all but one or two non white acts. THIS is the Classic rock culture of today. It's not even "older music was better" it's "OUR older music IS the only music. Oh and don't forget mandatory bashing of other genres, even in their adverts "We don't play rock" instead of the "We don't play Rap"

The generational thing is and will always be here. Hence posts like this...
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Love rock, it is music, as a opposed to much of what I hear that is considered hit worthy today, which is mainly sound. Sound....vs music.


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Which is as wrong now as when Robert Schumann complained about Franz Liszt and again when the neo Classical guys complained about "modern" late 18th cent. orchestral guys like Stravinski or Penderski(sp?), and they hated the Jazz bands yet big bands complained about Bebop, or when the pop/Brill/ people complained about rock, or when the rockers whined about rap... on and on.
But all of them do have somewhat valid arguments based on what they themselves grew to expect and the qualities they respect in music.
So yeah, Liszt didn't have the compositional symmetry that existed in thet typical "Hayden" classical work.
Bebop didn't have the ensemble interplay and "largeness" that the Big Bands employed. Plus you couldn't dance to it.
Rock lacked the virtuoso playing and complexity of Jazz, and rap doesn't have the musicianship and hard grooves of funk.
It goes on and on but for me, it's all about knowing what to listen for and how to listen to a given style.

I grew up being heavily influenced by Funk, jazz and 70s R&B soIf my gold standard of singing was Philippe Wynn, Al Green and Aretha, imagine how far a stretch it was to understand someone with a completely different goal set. Understandably, it took me decades to "get" Bob Dylan. Hell it took me decades to "get" Fleetwood Mack" lol

But i'd be stupid if I said it wasn't music just because the music I grew up on is all based on being danceable and the rhythm is kind as is a sweet voice and being curturally hip and this is curtually hip in a completely different foregin way.
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This. 100% this. Except that I'd add Glenn Miller, Lawrence Welk, Stan Kenton and a few of the more bland big bands to that list and completely remove all but one or two non white acts. THIS is the Classic rock culture of today. It's not even "older music was better" it's "OUR older music IS the only music. Oh and don't forget mandatory bashing of other genres, even in their adverts "We don't play rock" instead of the "We don't play Rap"

The generational thing is and will always be here. Hence posts like this...

Which is as wrong now as when Robert Schumann complained about Franz Liszt and again when the neo Classical guys complained about "modern" late 18th cent. orchestral guys like Stravinski or Penderski(sp?), and they hated the Jazz bands yet big bands complained about Bebop, or when the pop/Brill/ people complained about rock, or when the rockers whined about rap... on and on.
But all of them do have somewhat valid arguments based on what they themselves grew to expect and the qualities they respect in music.
So yeah, Liszt didn't have the compositional symmetry that existed in thet typical "Hayden" classical work.
Bebop didn't have the ensemble interplay and "largeness" that the Big Bands employed. Plus you couldn't dance to it.
Rock lacked the virtuoso playing and complexity of Jazz, and rap doesn't have the musicianship and hard grooves of funk.
It goes on and on but for me, it's all about knowing what to listen for and how to listen to a given style.

I grew up being heavily influenced by Funk, jazz and 70s R&B soIf my gold standard of singing was Philippe Wynn, Al Green and Aretha, imagine how far a stretch it was to understand someone with a completely different goal set. Understandably, it took me decades to "get" Bob Dylan. Hell it took me decades to "get" Fleetwood Mack" lol

But i'd be stupid if I said it wasn't music just because the music I grew up on is all based on being danceable and the rhythm is kind as is a sweet voice and being curturally hip and this is curtually hip in a completely different foregin way.
Understood and of course correct, but one could take that approach to the extreme and it's mere opinion when that "extreme" is reached.

If someone goes out and picks up a metal pole and hits it against a trash can and begins chanting about the luscious rear end on the girl next door, that may be music to some, but for most, it would not be.

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Old 11th March 2014
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You cant listen to main stream popular radio these days for rock..all they play is repetitive rap/rb and DISCO..yes..DISCO..4 on the floor new age, year 2014 disco is all it is...haha
Old 11th March 2014
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this album i feel exemplifies good current rock. lots of strong songs on it. here are 3.

https://soundcloud.com/skaters/to-be-young
https://soundcloud.com/skaters/this-much-i-care
https://soundcloud.com/skaters/i-wanna-dance

the idea now is to use the full range of influences that people have growing up in a world that is post-rock, post-grunge, ever-transitional pop, post-rap, post-punk, post-metal, post 80s, post 90s, millennial brick-a-brack - as an ENCASEMENT for good melodies. the melody and it's energy will always be the heart and soul of rock. that part will never die. the "nickelback" sound no longer gets to be called rock. it's just sonic gatorade, man.

as mentioned in this thread, musicians get very caught up in the superficial ideas of rock. people obsessed with living out their guitar dream definitely hold rock back. everybody wants to feel like the next kurt cobain, but nobody actually has the goddess singing to them. but they can regurgitate a bunch or good stuff they've heard, mix it up a bit, and get their connections to polish it up and get it out there and that's what you hear as rock. unfortunately it takes a lot of work to hear the fresher things because they will never be thrust into your face.
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I don't think people "hate" rock music. I do think people may not like most of the turgid neo-grunge, generic pop-punk and limp neo-folk that dominate the corporate playlists. Also, a lot of people may be getting the more "classic" rock sound they crave from modern country without even realizing it.

However, as mentioned before, rock is still very much alive in the underground, on the internet, and on college radio. Indie rock IS the rock scene now. Granted most bands aren't selling millions, but many are charting, making money playing live, getting ad placements and impacting the mainstream in other ways. There is a stunning breadth of diversity there, so much so that it can be overwhelming and time consuming to dig through it all, especially as we get older.

As far as newer bands go, I personally like:
Parquet Courts
Beach House
Javelin
Tame Impala

And Eldon, feel free to give my signature link a go. You may like at least some of what you hear.
Old 11th March 2014
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I think to some extent, the sound of high-gain/high-distortion electric guitars grew very tiresome to much of the record-buying public. Long guitar solos, etc. It was a sound that just got worn out from the late 60's all the way through the 80's, where the it reached ridiculous heights. This probably had a negative impact on heavy rock. I say this as an electric guitar player who loves much of 60's, 70's, and even 80's stuff.

I don't think acoustic guitar and cleaner electric guitar sounds suffered the same fate. At least, not to the same extent as hi-gain. I suppose hi-gain rock could make a come someday, but it's got to be a fresh approach.
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Understood and of course correct, but one could take that approach to the extreme and it's mere opinion when that "extreme" is reached.

If someone goes out and picks up a metal pole and hits it against a trash can and begins chanting about the luscious rear end on the girl next door, that may be music to some, but for most, it would not be.

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Does this exist in a vacuum? Is there a history and a tradition of doing so? Are there many people banging on different types of cans tuned differently? Are they doing so in a unique manner that is consistant with a portion of their culture? Have these people branched out from a different but similar form? ...or are you just being flip and making an effort to not understand the history of art throughout history?
Steven Riley and Karlheinz Stockhausen got pretty mannered there toward the end but you can't say it wasn't music just because YOU don't understand it.
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Thanks for that, and people (you, Frank C. and all others) please keep putting out modern rock listening suggestions for ALL of the LURKERS out there. It's not about me. I want all GS readers/users out there to get some joy and stimulation out of something new.

If I can't enjoy the new forms of rock, it's my own fault because I have chosen to highly value songs which have a magically dynamic transitional surprise factor around every corner as compositional prerequisites for enjoyment.

I fully realize Rock has to move on, towards the future, whatever that means (including distancing itself from the traditional classic rock songwriting style).
Please eldon, don't disengage,
You're missing out. Trust me YOU ARE MISSING OUT.
It's ok if you do, not the end of the world but…Try to meet each genre on its own terms. Don't look for a funky groove in classic rock or a tight horn arrangement in gangster rap.
I understand that everything isn’t for everyone and I‘m not trying to come off as a know-it-all but there’s more to gain than to ignore in most all forms of music. I know you know this. Also you might be a bit unfair to yourself to listen once to a song and declare “nope, don’t like it” Maybe on heavy rotation while driving cross country you might feel differently. Or maybe after a smile from a specific beautiful person who catches your eye at the red light.

It's the classic cultural blunder where the casual viewer/listener brings his own baggage instead of crawling nakedly, humbly on the shores of a new world. You can't get pee from a tree but there's this thing called fruit...
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There are a million sub-genres of "Rock" which for the casual listener I'm sure makes it harder to find big names. Not to mention all the genre merging makes it hard to classify what it actually is. Is Pop-rock "rock" ? Radio plays lots of heavy tunes with metal influence some call "hard rock." Or is it "light-metal?"
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Because they can't grind to it in a sweaty night club, most 20 and 30 somethings are obsessed with clubbing and so they listen to rap, r&b, disco, electronica, or anythings else that sounds good when they're wasted and dancing.

Plenty of people like rock - but most of the radio rock sucks - so you have to find other ways to discover it.
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Understood and of course correct, but one could
If someone goes out and picks up a metal pole and hits it against a trash can and begins chanting about the luscious rear end on the girl next door, that may be music to some, but for most, it would not be.

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are you serious! IM DOING THIS
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Please eldon, don't disengage,
You're missing out. Trust me YOU ARE MISSING OUT.
Missing out on something YOU personally find of value. But not everyone has to find it of value or interesting, because not everyone is YOU.

One's opinion on music depends on their uniquely individual frame of reference (based on everything they've ever listened to), along with the personal judgemental standards they've chosen to adopt, embrace and apply.

I guarantee there are some examples of music which I personally love which you might not be impressed by at all. And that's your prerogative.

Allow each individual listener their own unique preferences, please C//AZM, please, and don't feel compelled to change them, trying to make their preferences suit your own.
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Yeah, homogenized rock in the form of Nickelback really demonstrates the decrepid state of rock today. And the Foo Fighters, while better, are still pretty bland.

I'm a life-long fan of rock in all forms who loves this new thread because I now get to bash the lame, boring, predictable CRAP rock which is rock today.

It's STOCK rock, CRAP rock, CHEAP rock, LAME rock, TAME rock, PSEUDO-soulful slickly produced SQUASHED rock. Dull, tired, pointless, going through the motions with little or no passionate intensity.

That's my opinion. As a rock fan.

Now why do the rock haters hate rock ? Because of the above and because they just don't like guitars, or guitar solos, or harsh / rough / screaming vocals, or the lyrical concepts.

I sometimes wonder if the "well" of rock just went dry (as in extinct for resources) sometime around 2000, and/or if some anti-rock folks genuinely wanted to usher it out of the scene.

What's funny though, are those who call others "rockist" for loving rock, and then call them "bigots" for not loving hip-hop or rap. Now THAT is funny (yet understandable, in a way, I guess).
Foo Fighters ?! They are one of the few holding the candle for QUALITY rock music today!
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Foo Fighters ?! They are one of the few holding the candle for QUALITY rock music today!
How dare I not bow to them and praise them as you do !!

I do agree, that they are better than most, still, I find Grohl's SONGWRITING a little on the bland side, not bad, just a little bland. Often good, IMO, but never great IMO.

Do I have your permission to my own opinion now ? It's not as if I was trying to get you to adopt mine.
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Guys rock has always had an uphill battle against R&B.

Todays rap and hi hop is just modern R&B.

Back in the Sixties it was pop and rock vs Motown. A LOT of times Motown won, because it's rhythm and dance based music.

People (kids especially) want to MOVE.

Nowadays music is about almost nothing but moving.

Synth line, rap, big kick drum, etc.

So rock gets pushed even farther aside.

This has been true forever, it's why back in the 70s Midnight Special TV show went from a rock/pop format to ALL DISCO. Disco got people on the dance floor.

Rock always loses to the dance kids, always will.

I hate it, but it's true....

TH
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rock and roll will never die
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Todays rap and hi hop is just modern R&B.
If rap and hip-hop show more of a convincing, spontaneous energy, it will out-compete rock. I don't know if rap and hip-hop are as vital and diverse as they were throughout their respective histories, but I do think that Rock songwriters, as another poster said, have to "try harder", dig deeper, be more inventive and resourceful to keep themselves relevant.

Otherwise, the dinosaur will become a fossil.

Also, the other big competitor is fluffly mainstream pop. It's amazing how candy Katy-Perry knocks out so many growly, aggressive power chord specialists, with a reverse pinky slap.

Amazing.
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If rap and hip-hop show more of a convincing, spontaneous energy, it will out-compete rock. I don't know if rap and hip-hop are as vital and diverse as they were throughout their respective histories, but I do think that Rock songwriters, as another poster said, have to "try harder", dig deeper, be more inventive and resourceful to keep themselves relevant.

Otherwise, the dinosaur will become a fossil.

Also, the other big competitor is fluffly mainstream pop. It's amazing how candy Katy-Perry knocks out so many growly, aggressive power chord specialists, with a reverse pinky slap.

Amazing.
Not amazing to me, it fits what I'm saying.

More dance in Katy Perry than in rock. Period. That's all they care about. Rhythm, movement (and of late, really dumb synth FX/riffs, the dumber the better (i.e. "Dirty Bit" Black Eyed Peas). This kind of "song" will kill a rock song any day of the week here in 2014. I wish it were not so.

Good strong singable chorus, dance beat.

Kids could care less about Marshalls and Les Pauls. 1970 was a long time ago.
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How dare I not bow to them and praise them as you do !!

I do agree, that they are better than most, still, I find Grohl's SONGWRITING a little on the bland side, not bad, just a little bland. Often good, IMO, but never great IMO.

Do I have your permission to my own opinion now ? It's not as if I was trying to get you to adopt mine.
Of course you can have your opinion. I was just stating mine. Even if you are wrong.

Only jokin.
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Of course you can have your opinion. I was just stating mine. Even if you are wrong.

Only jokin.
Ha, good stuff.

The announcement of the next Foo Fighters record will lure me into heavy curiosity, as it always does. I always find they release reliably solid records, of good overall quality, with good energy, especially for a dude (Dave Grohl) who is 45.

I just hope I don't hear any misleading BS like, "our album was recorded in the bathroom of airplane", or anything like that.

If you are going to use modern production methods and compete in the loudness war, don't try to conceal it. I fully understand it's all a matter of surviving in the industry.
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EDM / Dance / electronic is the dominant paradigm now. Rap has a nice niche right inside that umbrella because its the same toolset as brostep and most other basic electronic genres:

a cheap laptop and free software.

lowest common denominator economics.

real instruments cost money and you need to learn them which takes time and often you need to have somewhere to do that which also costs money.

rock etc etc is also very 'old' at this point. not that rap isn't. but rap is 30-40 years younger so it's not quite as tired and old people sounding.

z
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EDM / Dance / electronic is the dominant paradigm now. Rap has a nice niche right inside that umbrella because its the same toolset as brostep and most other basic electronic genres:

a cheap laptop and free software.

lowest common denominator economics.

real instruments cost money and you need to learn them which takes time and often you need to have somewhere to do that which also costs money.

rock etc etc is also very 'old' at this point. not that rap isn't. but rap is 30-40 years younger so it's not quite as tired and old people sounding.

z
You are right on
And with rap and it's warm and fuzzy friends, you're right, you don't have to learn much to be a hipster

Everybody's a star lol

TH
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Ha, good stuff.

The announcement of the next Foo Fighters record will lure me into heavy curiosity, as it always does. I always find they release reliably solid records, of good overall quality, with good energy, especially for a dude (Dave Grohl) who is 45.

I just hope I don't hear any misleading BS like, "our album was recorded in the bathroom of airplane", or anything like that.

If you are going to use modern production methods and compete in the loudness war, don't try to conceal it. I fully understand it's all a matter of surviving in the industry.
I take it you are referring to their "recorded in a garage" album Wasting Light.
Yes, recorded in a garage with a API console, Studer 827's, Banks of Neve pre's and Butch Vig! Yes, that was rather amusing.

And it is rather loud I must say. Check out the drums collapsing as "Ï should have known" ramps up.
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Missing out on something YOU personally find of value. But not everyone has to find it of value or interesting, because not everyone is YOU.

One's opinion on music depends on their uniquely individual frame of reference (based on everything they've ever listened to), along with the personal judgemental standards they've chosen to adopt, embrace and apply.

I guarantee there are some examples of music which I personally love which you might not be impressed by at all. And that's your prerogative.

Allow each individual listener their own unique preferences, please C//AZM, please, and don't feel compelled to change them, trying to make their preferences suit your own.
Yeah perhaps I stated my case poorly.
I'm not trying to make you or anyone like MY taste. On the contrary, it's all about YOUR taste.
I'm sure I wouldn't be impressed by a lot of songs that others would love but I probably wouldn't dislike an entire genre based on the parameters and limitations of a completely different one.

I'm saying that the beauty of it is that "judgemental standards you adopt, embrace and apply." change from style to style. You judge based on the criteria unique to the style in question. and of course it's all my just humble opinion but one I learned with much difficulty. without it, I wouldn't ever have loved anything other than 70s soul and I would've missed out on a whole lot of great music.
I hope I didn't come off as trying to insult you because I wasn't.
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EDM / Dance / electronic is the dominant paradigm now. Rap has a nice niche right inside that umbrella because its the same toolset as brostep and most other basic electronic genres:

a cheap laptop and free software.

lowest common denominator economics.

real instruments cost money and you need to learn them which takes time and often you need to have somewhere to do that which also costs money.

rock etc etc is also very 'old' at this point. not that rap isn't. but rap is 30-40 years younger so it's not quite as tired and old people sounding.

z
This is spot on ha ha! just like folk music was in the late 60s early70s where everyone could get an acoustic guitar and write about the butterflies. lol There was a girl like that on every block.
To your point, even cheaper than a cheap laptop is a pen pencil and mom's James Brown record.
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I'm saying that the beauty of it is that "judgemental standards you adopt, embrace and apply." change from style to style. You judge based on the criteria unique to the style in question. and of course it's all my just humble opinion but one I learned with much difficulty.
When I listen to nuevo-flamenco music, I don't judge it according to my standards for Romantic era orchestral music. And when I listen to Katy Perry's "Roar", I don't judge it according to my standards for ambient electronic music.

But the "criteria" you speak of, is not a firm universal set of rules and systematic requirements all must adhere to. This is art we are speaking of, not construction site inspection/regulation. Even from style to style, we are allowed to set the bar wherever we want, stylistically relevant, and personally relative.

Fans of Tchaikovsky often harshly criticized Brahms because he didn't fulfill their personal requirements/expectations for composition of melodic fantasy. They often heard him as "composing without ideas", and from their unique point of view, they were right.
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EDM / Dance / electronic is the dominant paradigm now....rock...is....very 'old' at this point. not that rap isn't. but rap is 30-40 years younger so it's not quite as tired and old people sounding.
Exactly. Rock in any form is dismissed as "tired and old...." Regardless how you dress it up; retro, new metal, post grunge, punk, emo, even alt rock. Alt rock may be keeping rock alive, but it seems to be trying too hard to not be "too rock." I'm not even sure the White Stripes could break in 2014. Rock guitars are too rock guitar like.

Re the mass appeal of Foo Fighters, way too many variables at play. Anyway, new rock bands seem to suffer from the same problem, energy without tension. That said, I think it is unfair to require rock to "step up" when rap, hip hop, EDM, R&B/ dance get a pass.
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Also, a lot of people may be getting the more "classic" rock sound they crave from modern country without even realizing it.
This is a good point, I think. A lot of what's topping country charts nowadays would have been called southern rock or folk rock in past decades. The main holdouts in "modern country" that keep it country and not rock are the banjo and slide steel guitar; virtually all the chart-topping songs have a pretty standard rock instrumentation, just with less gain.
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Because mainstream rock radio more or less only plays modern grunge as rock these days, and as a result nobody listens anymore. Rock is still cool, but you have to find it yourself.
I agree the coolest rock out there you gotta dig for a little.

Mainstream rock is NOT rock as far as I'm concerned. I think the only real mainstream rock act is Imagine Dragons...and they are still heavily pop oriented.

I guess maybe Foo Fighters?
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