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Old 18th May 2020
  #9511
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I don't see it that way. I believe Whitecat made a statement that is open to interpretation. Regarding Wags interpretation, what does the arrangement or instrumentation used in a demo have to do with the actual songwriting?

I ask Whitecat or a moderator to clarify.
Heck, no, the moderators are prob. unpaid volunteers and it's best to leave them out of this, it's like asking the legal department at work if you can do something new, and the answer is always no, or we'll look into that, yeah sure.
Old 18th May 2020
  #9512
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Hmm, working on a new song.

Summer Dreams

Summer dreams, visions in my head
Summer dreams, ah, the words we said
I know, I know
Love flowed
So warm, so warm
Just like a summer dream

Summer dreams, called on me today
Summer dreams, hope they're here to stay
I know, I know
Love flowed
So warm, so warm
Just like a summer dream
Seems Ok, I always want to say a lot in a song, it's stupid, but I can't help myself. I just can't see putting effort into something that says, it's summer, there was hope for love, I got some love, hope it lasts, end of story. How did it feel, what did you do, where was the excitement, what enticed you, did you do the deed or are you on first base (just kidding on that one). But that's just me.
Old 18th May 2020
  #9513
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Heck, no, the moderators are prob. unpaid volunteers and it's best to leave them out of this, it's like asking the legal department at work if you can do something new, and the answer is always no, or we'll look into that, yeah sure.
Hi Rocky, It was clarified that the first comment on Page 1 stated the intent of the rough demo thread, posted by pinkheadedbug in January, 2012. I don't recall spending much time here until 2014 and it never occured to me to look to see if a comment on page 1 offered more. After all, most comments were about production, etc, and that fit my understanding of one of the things song demo feedback should be about.

And I suspect you're right about moderator pay. Not so sure about someone like Whitecat.

Sorry about any misunderstanding.
Old 18th May 2020
  #9514
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Originally Posted by Seattle View Post
Explain Marvin Gaye's, Frank Sinatra's or Elvis Presley's arrangements for their versions of Paul McCartney's song Yesterday, or Disturb's arrangement of Paul Simon's The Sound of Silence.
They had a record deal and had to produce, so they took the easy way out, lol. I don't know if that is true, I just know that it is true!
Old 18th May 2020
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Seems Ok, I always want to say a lot in a song, it's stupid, but I can't help myself.
I don't think it's stupid of you. My other songs have been an attempt to say alot, but this one feels different to me. The experience and the memory of it were both fleeting, the song coming from thoughts that passed through my head whlie reminiscing on a sunny day while sitting on the porch.
Old 18th May 2020
  #9516
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Listen buddy, I've got as much right as you to be here. And I really would love there to be a thread on *song-making*. Not production technique. Not gear.

Whitecat was pretty straightforward. Original intent of the thread. The original post was even more obvious. I won't post again because wagtunes already did. But you guys are here splitting hairs. "well gee I wasn't critiquing the technical parts, I just asked the poster about them". This after the mod asked it to be about the original intent of the thread, which is about composition NOT (their emphasis, not mine) production. Hell the OP even says:

"Here's a song I just finished but am still noodling on. What I like about it so far is the chordal structure, the way the chorus kicks in, and the way it keeps on modulating. Not sure about the lyrics yet."

But I'm the one causing trouble. SMH.

Anyway, have at it. Tired of arguing. We've got fifty billion technical threads on this board and very little in the way of pure song-making and you chaps want to keep talking tech stuff. Knock yourselves out.
Funny we want to stop the bickering but instead get yanked into the fray, reminds me of my escape, on all 4's from a long shore man's bar when a fight broke out.
Old 18th May 2020
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I don't know if that is true, I just know that it is true!
As I'm not exactly a prolific songwriter, if I had to come up with a dozen or so songs for an album and I had a time limit, by necessity, I imagine there would be a few covers on that album.
Old 18th May 2020
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a long shore man's bar
We used to have one of those in Seattle, the J&M. But now the old waterfront is no longer a working waterfront, rather, a tourist trap and the longshoremen now work well south or north of Seattle's old waterfront. The J&M is a millinial bar now, and our Skid Road pawn shops and bars have been replaced with botique shops.
Old 18th May 2020
  #9519
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Originally Posted by Seattle View Post
Hi Rocky, It was clarified that the first comment on Page 1 stated the intent of the rough demo thread, posted by pinkheadedbug in January, 2012. I don't recall spending much time here until 2014 and it never occured to me to look to see if a comment on page 1 offered more. After all, most comments were about production, etc, and that fit my understanding of one of the things song demo feedback should be about.

And I suspect you're right about moderator pay. Not so sure about someone like Whitecat.

Sorry about any misunderstanding.
I like everyone in here, I've got no beef with anyone, but if I want to fight I'll just go have a conversation with my covid ensconced wife, that way I can add to the fun by dodging wine bottles, lucky she throws like a girl.

This place got shuttered because we became a PITA to the moderators. Without that, I don't think they would much care if we had an illuminated porn song writing contest in here. Just suggesting we don't bother them, ever, I never rat anyone out, even when my coworkers fake ratted on me to cover their droppings.
Old 18th May 2020
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Funny we want to stop the bickering but instead get yanked into the fray
That's what happened to me. My fault.
Old 18th May 2020
  #9521
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I don't think it's stupid of you. My other songs have been an attempt to say alot, but this one feels different to me. The experience and the memory of it were both fleeting, the song coming from thoughts that passed through my head whlie reminiscing on a sunny day while sitting on the porch.
We both admired GYMusic lovely bit of gorgeous nothing, one page back don't miss it! And that got me to thinking, while I continue to do the exact opposite.
Old 18th May 2020
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Without that, I don't think they would much care if we had an illuminated porn song writing contest in here.
Agreed. In fact, we should start such a thread. Sounds like fun!
Old 18th May 2020
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We both admired GYMusic lovely bit of gorgeous nothing
That song was absolutely wonderful. Well, except for a couple of bass notes at the end. As a bass player I was like, "WTF was that??"
Old 20th May 2020
  #9524
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I posted an original song in here 3 pages back, right after the room was open, post #9480 . Wags came back to comment on it, no else did. I sent these lyrics to Wags before I recorded it to see if he was interested in doing the music. He rejected the tune saying it was too free form and not 'pop' enough, so I did everything myself.

I've been playing with mixing it and adding tracks since posting it here. Without regard to the rules in here, can anyone help me with any rules of thumb for making mixes that sound good on headphones also sound good on monitors, as I'm fighting that now.

What I think I've learned so far, about 8 hours of fun, correct me if absurd, please.

Cut the low bass below 40 hz (lowest note on bass). This was fine on several pairs of headphones, but created a muddy veil on the speakers, my monitors go that low.

Add some high freq boost as the speakers lose some presence, over the phones, but don't overdo it. I found a 6db shelf starting at about 5Khz to work.

Mess with the panning of each track to provide a similar experience for phones and speakers (I'm not up to the level of even thinking sound stage for my primitive efforts, maybe that's a bad attitude to have?).

Listen back and forth, over and over, take breaks, make tweaks.

A few other issues

I'm not happy with the sound of the vocals on the MP3, what's on soundcloud. The vocals played back on my interface from wave files in pro tools, sound better than the MP3's. It's weird, but I hear the doubt in my voice on the MP3, but not in the wave. The doubt was in the performance, as part of me, as the engineer in me was in feedback mode, yet only the MP3 shows that. I played plugins in the daw to cover that 'doubt up. Is this nuts? Is the lesson that I should have done another 'doubtless' take on the vocal, that you can't cover that up?

OK, if I haven't driven you away yet. I volunteered at a low level studio before the plague so I have some experienced contacts, however, they have very different taste than I do, as they are rockers, and I write introspective EMO therapy songs, stories, or Disney like Crap, and hate distortion. Have you ever gotten any good help about mixing from someone who has such different tastes?

Yesterday I learned about parallel compression. I made a new harmony vocal track that doubles the original vocal in most of the tune and just takes off in a few places. The original track was processed by plug ins, and I had to print it to stop my computer from melting down. I added just a tad of reverb to the new vocal track, to get it smoother and then mixed it with the original. I liked the sound, it was more alive and dynamic, Is that parallel compression?

I know it's a lot of questions, but if you can help with any of this, please do. Some of you cats are lifetimes ahead of me on this!

Of course if anyone want's to go back and listen to the tune picking on anything, that would be good too.

Thanks, just asking all this has helped me put the process into perspective.
Old 20th May 2020
  #9525
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Of course if anyone want's to go back and listen to the tune picking on anything, that would be good too.
I somehow missed that one. I usually listen to your tracks because I like your song writing and how you perform them.

If there are good headphones for mixing, they're not anything I own. I used Sony headphones on Lift These Chains and I think the mix and mastering I did is horrible. Listening to a DVD I made, I cringed. All the mids had been sucked out of it. To me, the song only sounds good when listening on the headphones I used.

I'd prefer you waited before bringing in the strings and percussion. Use those to build the song as it goes, helping to keep the listener interested. Maybe come up with another element or two, particularly something to help distinguish the verses from the choruses.

And this was the only song where I didn't love your vocals. Too much processing. I don't believe your vocals need that.

Nicely written song, though.
Old 20th May 2020
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Originally Posted by Rolavine View Post
I posted an original song in here 3 pages back, right after the room was open, post #9480 . Wags came back to comment on it, no else did. I sent these lyrics to Wags before I recorded it to see if he was interested in doing the music. He rejected the tune saying it was too free form and not 'pop' enough, so I did everything myself.

I've been playing with mixing it and adding tracks since posting it here. Without regard to the rules in here, can anyone help me with any rules of thumb for making mixes that sound good on headphones also sound good on monitors, as I'm fighting that now.

What I think I've learned so far, about 8 hours of fun, correct me if absurd, please.

Cut the low bass below 40 hz (lowest note on bass). This was fine on several pairs of headphones, but created a muddy veil on the speakers, my monitors go that low.

Add some high freq boost as the speakers lose some presence, over the phones, but don't overdo it. I found a 6db shelf starting at about 5Khz to work.

Mess with the panning of each track to provide a similar experience for phones and speakers (I'm not up to the level of even thinking sound stage for my primitive efforts, maybe that's a bad attitude to have?).

Listen back and forth, over and over, take breaks, make tweaks.

A few other issues

I'm not happy with the sound of the vocals on the MP3, what's on soundcloud. The vocals played back on my interface from wave files in pro tools, sound better than the MP3's. It's weird, but I hear the doubt in my voice on the MP3, but not in the wave. The doubt was in the performance, as part of me, as the engineer in me was in feedback mode, yet only the MP3 shows that. I played plugins in the daw to cover that 'doubt up. Is this nuts? Is the lesson that I should have done another 'doubtless' take on the vocal, that you can't cover that up?

OK, if I haven't driven you away yet. I volunteered at a low level studio before the plague so I have some experienced contacts, however, they have very different taste than I do, as they are rockers, and I write introspective EMO therapy songs, stories, or Disney like Crap, and hate distortion. Have you ever gotten any good help about mixing from someone who has such different tastes?

Yesterday I learned about parallel compression. I made a new harmony vocal track that doubles the original vocal in most of the tune and just takes off in a few places. The original track was processed by plug ins, and I had to print it to stop my computer from melting down. I added just a tad of reverb to the new vocal track, to get it smoother and then mixed it with the original. I liked the sound, it was more alive and dynamic, Is that parallel compression?

I know it's a lot of questions, but if you can help with any of this, please do. Some of you cats are lifetimes ahead of me on this!

Of course if anyone want's to go back and listen to the tune picking on anything, that would be good too.

Thanks, just asking all this has helped me put the process into perspective.
Hi Rocky. I'll be more than happy to help you with the mix but not here. Send me an email and a link to the song and I will listen to it and get back to you.

There are some basic mixing procedures that I can help you with if you like but a lot of it has to do with the source material. Is this all on one track or do you have a separate track for each instrument? If the former, there is only so much you're going to be able to do. I'll explain this all in the email.

I will definitely help you as much as I can. Promise.
Old 20th May 2020
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Originally Posted by Rolavine View Post

I know it's a lot of questions, but if you can help with any of this, please do.
Yes, I missed that too...bit like when a fight breaks out in a bar you stop watching the band.

Really like the song Rolavine. I think the vocals are too loud though, but I do like your voice. Think the arpeggio guitar should come right up, and the keyboard pad right down and maybe try to simplify the rhythm slightly.

As far as technical advice goes, I'm a complete luddite so would not be able to offer any help in that direction...I just twiddle knobs til it 'sounds okay' then, if it still 'sounds okay' the next day, it's done.

Nice song though!
Old 20th May 2020
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I put a 'quirky' version of this up on the 'Noodles and doodles' thread.

This is the original acoustic 'heartfelt' version...I remember, when I finished it, thinking it was probably the best song ever written...strange how ones perception alters with time!

It sort of makes me cringe a bit now.
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Old 20th May 2020
  #9529
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Originally Posted by Rolavine View Post
I posted an original song in here 3 pages back, right after the room was open, post #9480 . Wags came back to comment on it, no else did. I sent these lyrics to Wags before I recorded it to see if he was interested in doing the music. He rejected the tune saying it was too free form and not 'pop' enough, so I did everything myself.

I've been playing with mixing it and adding tracks since posting it here. Without regard to the rules in here, can anyone help me with any rules of thumb for making mixes that sound good on headphones also sound good on monitors, as I'm fighting that now.

What I think I've learned so far, about 8 hours of fun, correct me if absurd, please.

Cut the low bass below 40 hz (lowest note on bass). This was fine on several pairs of headphones, but created a muddy veil on the speakers, my monitors go that low.

Add some high freq boost as the speakers lose some presence, over the phones, but don't overdo it. I found a 6db shelf starting at about 5Khz to work.

Mess with the panning of each track to provide a similar experience for phones and speakers (I'm not up to the level of even thinking sound stage for my primitive efforts, maybe that's a bad attitude to have?).

Listen back and forth, over and over, take breaks, make tweaks.

A few other issues

I'm not happy with the sound of the vocals on the MP3, what's on soundcloud. The vocals played back on my interface from wave files in pro tools, sound better than the MP3's. It's weird, but I hear the doubt in my voice on the MP3, but not in the wave. The doubt was in the performance, as part of me, as the engineer in me was in feedback mode, yet only the MP3 shows that. I played plugins in the daw to cover that 'doubt up. Is this nuts? Is the lesson that I should have done another 'doubtless' take on the vocal, that you can't cover that up?

OK, if I haven't driven you away yet. I volunteered at a low level studio before the plague so I have some experienced contacts, however, they have very different taste than I do, as they are rockers, and I write introspective EMO therapy songs, stories, or Disney like Crap, and hate distortion. Have you ever gotten any good help about mixing from someone who has such different tastes?

Yesterday I learned about parallel compression. I made a new harmony vocal track that doubles the original vocal in most of the tune and just takes off in a few places. The original track was processed by plug ins, and I had to print it to stop my computer from melting down. I added just a tad of reverb to the new vocal track, to get it smoother and then mixed it with the original. I liked the sound, it was more alive and dynamic, Is that parallel compression?

I know it's a lot of questions, but if you can help with any of this, please do. Some of you cats are lifetimes ahead of me on this!

Of course if anyone want's to go back and listen to the tune picking on anything, that would be good too.

Thanks, just asking all this has helped me put the process into perspective.
I listened to the track again. I know exactly what's wrong with it. Like I said, email me and I'll go over it with you. Also, if you want, put the individual tracks up on Dropbox or somewhere, I'll download them and remix and possibly even rearrange them for you. Please take off all FX processing when rendering each track, including your vocals.

This will be fun and I think I can actually teach you something in the process. It's my way of paying it forward for all the help I've gotten from others.
Old 20th May 2020
  #9530
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Originally Posted by Seattle View Post
I somehow missed that one. I usually listen to your tracks because I like your song writing and how you perform them.

If there are good headphones for mixing, they're not anything I own. I used Sony headphones on Lift These Chains and I think the mix and mastering I did is horrible. Listening to a DVD I made, I cringed. All the mids had been sucked out of it. To me, the song only sounds good when listening on the headphones I used.

I'd prefer you waited before bringing in the strings and percussion. Use those to build the song as it goes, helping to keep the listener interested. Maybe come up with another element or two, particularly something to help distinguish the verses from the choruses.

And this was the only song where I didn't love your vocals. Too much processing. I don't believe your vocals need that.

Nicely written song, though.
I don't like the vocals either, and that was why I asked about parallel compression, mixing what I had with a new natural track, as I'm trying that as a fix. I planned to add some vocal harmony to keep the song moving forward, and I'm doing that. So at this point I think I fixed some of that.

Thanks, It took me a month so far, I had fun playing with the Roland GR-33 guitar synth, and got to practice my Djembe playing.
Old 20th May 2020
  #9531
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the Roland GR-33 guitar synth
Interesting. I wasn't aware of this gear. Does it require the "user-installable GK-2A Divided Pickup" to make it work?

You don't have a synth keyboard?
Old 20th May 2020
  #9532
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Originally Posted by wagtunes View Post
Hi Rocky. I'll be more than happy to help you with the mix but not here. Send me an email and a link to the song and I will listen to it and get back to you.

There are some basic mixing procedures that I can help you with if you like but a lot of it has to do with the source material. Is this all on one track or do you have a separate track for each instrument? If the former, there is only so much you're going to be able to do. I'll explain this all in the email.

I will definitely help you as much as I can. Promise.
Thanks, it's on separate tracks and in pro tools, but I had to print some of them. I know you're a big fan of carving out space in the frequency domain from the background for the vocals, but when I've tried that I don't like it, and I did try that here.

OK don't respond here, I'll send you email and a link to the remix I'm working on now, when I put it up there in a few days. Remixing stuff is such torture - fun, and I have the added complication that I can just redo a track.
Old 20th May 2020
  #9533
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Originally Posted by clump View Post
I put a 'quirky' version of this up on the 'Noodles and doodles' thread.

This is the original acoustic 'heartfelt' version...I remember, when I finished it, thinking it was probably the best song ever written...strange how ones perception alters with time!

It sort of makes me cringe a bit now.
Still sounds good to me, at the moment I'm not sure what feedback I'm allowed to give here but if we're only allowed to discuss lyrics and core melody then I'd say that what you've got works well and I think you can now shift focus onto the production side of the song.
Old 20th May 2020
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Still sounds good to me, at the moment I'm not sure what feedback I'm allowed to give here but if we're only allowed to discuss lyrics and core melody then I'd say that what you've got works well and I think you can now shift focus onto the production side of the song.
Thanks!....I think we can offer any kind of appropriate advice, the bickering was the real issue. I did notice 'Whitecat' used the word *refrain* within asterisks when referencing technical criticism, but not when referencing bickering...make of that what you will.

If EVERYBODY uses the thread a particular way, and they are all happy with it that way, then how can that be a problem?

Anyway, thanks for that mdme sadie, I'll try and decide which direction to take it in.
Old 20th May 2020
  #9535
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Interesting. I wasn't aware of this gear. Does it require the "user-installable GK-2A Divided Pickup" to make it work?

You don't have a synth keyboard?
Yes. It makes the sounds of the 80's based on the Roland Sound Canvass, and it's the only 'synth I know how to use.

It was used in the tune for strings and the jazz bop noises. You have to play really clean to avoid it's miss-tracking, and it's pretty slow on the uptake, especially for the lower pitches. It does output midi but I've never used it for that. You can get these things pretty cheap on the used market, I bought it a year ago for $200 including the pickup. It's a way for guitar players to add weird noises.
Old 20th May 2020
  #9536
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When he left this thread, never to come back, it was the umpteenth time he'd done that. He also said he hates everybody here, and that wasn't the first time he's said that, either. He's also said he hopes the thread will be shut down.

I take it this is how he acts out his hatred for all of us.
Wags and I have become web friends. I think my posts are pulling him back in here, so this, in a way, my fault. I've learned a lot from him, and from all of you. I even wrote a song inspired by I've Got Worms. I sat down and put myself in what I think is his state of mind, and a tune popped out. I haven't recorded it yet but I've got the music and can do it live. I'll put it up in here when it's done, I bet he hates it!

My wife hates it, actually she hates about half my songs, I sometimes pretend she does that for fear I'll get famous and she'll have to compete with groupies, delusion reigns supreme. In reality, she is nearly deaf, even with her hearing aids, and has like 50 db of treble boost, but she still rocks back and forth to the Beatles.
Old 20th May 2020
  #9537
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Still sounds good to me, at the moment I'm not sure what feedback I'm allowed to give here but if we're only allowed to discuss lyrics and core melody then I'd say that what you've got works well and I think you can now shift focus onto the production side of the song.
Please give me any feedback you have to give, I won't be offended, cause a scene, or rat out anyone, EVER!
Old 20th May 2020
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Originally Posted by Rolavine View Post
Wags and I have become web friends. I think my posts are pulling him back in here, so this, in a way, my fault. I've learned a lot from him, and from all of you. I even wrote a song inspired by I've Got Worms. I sat down and put myself in what I think is his state of mind, and a tune popped out. I haven't recorded it yet but I've got the music and can do it live. I'll put it up in here when it's done, I bet he hates it!

My wife hates it, actually she hates about half my songs, I sometimes pretend she does that for fear I'll get famous and she'll have to compete with groupies, delusion reigns supreme. In reality, she is nearly deaf, even with her hearing aids, and has like 50 db of treble boost, but she still rocks back and forth to the Beatles.
Thank you for the kind words Rocky. As long as you're around here, I will be here to interact with you (listen to your songs, give feedback, etc.)

I'm done letting these people get under my skin. I will just keep reporting their troll posts and ignore them. Eventually, if they continue their posts and I report enough of them, they'll probably succeed in closing this place down. But it won't be because of me being nasty with anybody. I'm done doing that. They just aren't worth my time.

I appreciate our friendship and will always be here if you need my help.

Will be looking forward to those files.
Old 20th May 2020
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and it's the only 'synth I know how to use
I've had a Yamaha Motif 6 for, I don't know, maybe 15 years now, and only a month ago I realized it had percussion kits on it. So I decided to read the manual to see what the thing could do, but now I've misplaced the booklet. So far the only thing I've used it for is the organ* and pad sounds on Lift These Chains. Sigh! Go ahead, call me pathetic. It's so true!

And I already owned a Hammond B3 and Leslie 147! See what I mean? Pathetic! I finally sold it a few years ago. I did love cranking that thing up now and then.
Old 21st May 2020
  #9540
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Originally Posted by Rolavine View Post
I posted an original song in here 3 pages back, right after the room was open, post #9480 . Wags came back to comment on it, no else did. I sent these lyrics to Wags before I recorded it to see if he was interested in doing the music. He rejected the tune saying it was too free form and not 'pop' enough, so I did everything myself.

I've been playing with mixing it and adding tracks since posting it here. Without regard to the rules in here, can anyone help me with any rules of thumb for making mixes that sound good on headphones also sound good on monitors, as I'm fighting that now.

What I think I've learned so far, about 8 hours of fun, correct me if absurd, please.

Cut the low bass below 40 hz (lowest note on bass). This was fine on several pairs of headphones, but created a muddy veil on the speakers, my monitors go that low.

Add some high freq boost as the speakers lose some presence, over the phones, but don't overdo it. I found a 6db shelf starting at about 5Khz to work.

Mess with the panning of each track to provide a similar experience for phones and speakers (I'm not up to the level of even thinking sound stage for my primitive efforts, maybe that's a bad attitude to have?).

Listen back and forth, over and over, take breaks, make tweaks.

A few other issues

I'm not happy with the sound of the vocals on the MP3, what's on soundcloud. The vocals played back on my interface from wave files in pro tools, sound better than the MP3's. It's weird, but I hear the doubt in my voice on the MP3, but not in the wave. The doubt was in the performance, as part of me, as the engineer in me was in feedback mode, yet only the MP3 shows that. I played plugins in the daw to cover that 'doubt up. Is this nuts? Is the lesson that I should have done another 'doubtless' take on the vocal, that you can't cover that up?

OK, if I haven't driven you away yet. I volunteered at a low level studio before the plague so I have some experienced contacts, however, they have very different taste than I do, as they are rockers, and I write introspective EMO therapy songs, stories, or Disney like Crap, and hate distortion. Have you ever gotten any good help about mixing from someone who has such different tastes?

Yesterday I learned about parallel compression. I made a new harmony vocal track that doubles the original vocal in most of the tune and just takes off in a few places. The original track was processed by plug ins, and I had to print it to stop my computer from melting down. I added just a tad of reverb to the new vocal track, to get it smoother and then mixed it with the original. I liked the sound, it was more alive and dynamic, Is that parallel compression?

I know it's a lot of questions, but if you can help with any of this, please do. Some of you cats are lifetimes ahead of me on this!

Of course if anyone want's to go back and listen to the tune picking on anything, that would be good too.

Thanks, just asking all this has helped me put the process into perspective.
Sorry Rocky but there’s just too much for me to wade through here.
I would be better with a link and a few specific questions.
Don’t worry about Wags‘ ‘rules’, I am all for totally ignoring his attempts to manage the thread in any way as he has proved himself incapable of even managing himself.
If you are happy to have him help you then please take it to PMs as I know he will just try to destroy the thread again.
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