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Old 2nd April 2003
  #61
The vibe would be, sure use a stereo pair but for things like Kick n Sare & bass and vox - keep it free from pounding down the middle of STEREO type material in the same output pair..

keep the punchy stuff away from the soft stuff!

Like packing groceries, you try not to throw boxes & jars of stuff on top of things like peaches & grapes etc....

Getting it now?

Old 2nd April 2003
  #62
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I think Jules is saying that you pan in PT in the stereo stem, so you can put it anywhere you want..

If you want kick and bass to be in the middle, than ouput the kick and bass each on a single stem to a pair on the dangerious 2 bus and hit mono...

If you want the kick a little on the left and the bass a little on the right, then create a stereo stem and pan in PT and keep the dang bus 2 in stereo...
Old 4th April 2003
  #63
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Nice job Jules

Jules has done a great job explaining much of this. Here's another thing that I haven't heard people mention but has been really helpful.
The D2B (and the lite version) also performs somewhat like an fx insert.
I can strap an external compressor or eq on anything with virtually no latency now.
This has allowed me to use old favorites like Eventides, Vari Mu, Massive Passive etc. much easier. That's in addition to the fact that the mix is more open and has much better stereo.
chap
Old 4th April 2003
  #64
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Yeah Chap, that's one of my favorites!

Finally no more latency during MIX!!

Ciao

Michele
Old 5th April 2003
  #65
Nik
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Great input! No pun intended.

Old 5th April 2003
  #66
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Thanks. Give it a try.
BTW- I'm wondering what's in that pipe?
Maybe I'll give it a whirl.
Peace,
chap
Old 11th April 2003
  #67
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DBLT got here yesterday.. Only had about 30 mins time with it... Sounded great. Everthigng seems to sit well in the mix... I need more time with it before I can get to deeper conclusions, but initial impression was very favorabe.
Old 12th April 2003
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buick - congrats on your D2BLT! It'll take a couple of days for you to really start to appreciate this unit, but once you get used to it, it will be hard to do any future mixes soley 'in the box'
Old 12th April 2003
  #69
Nik
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Cool!

I just ordered another Digi 192 for this method of mixing.

I am about to order the LT.

Where did you buy yours from? How much did you pay if you don't mind me asking?

Cheers,

Nik

Old 17th April 2003
  #70
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Automation

If you guy's are running mono things out (like vocals) into outboard compressors then into the D2b. How can you automate faders in Pro Tools without it backing off or feeding into the compressors funny? I'm not worried much about kicks and stuff it's vocals I have to ride more. Or what about once you get the vocal right or say a snare and you don't need to automate but you do need to use aux send for verb? How can I send the outboard comp/Eq version of that vocal/snare whatever to even an outboard F/x unit? Not even talking about using a F/X plugin. Just how to get the treated version into an F/X unit. Don't you need sends on the D2b for that?

Starts to make me think about something like the Speck mixer for more inputs and busses and sends. Then next question is does that thing sound good. I know guys seem to love the D2b.

Other question is do they stuff 16 transformers in a 1 rack space unit or is it op-amp?

Thanks.
Old 17th April 2003
  #71
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Has anyone had a chance to try both the D2B and the D2B Lt? I've heard that the components are different on the LT, but i don't know if indeed that's the case.

Also, has anyone tried the SBM-2 from Inward Connections?

Billy Bush
Old 17th April 2003
  #72
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Originally posted by Billy Bush


Also, has anyone tried the SBM-2 from Inward Connections?

Billy Bush
Yes,

I own one and its killer!!!
Old 23rd April 2003
  #73
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I was looking at this unit awhile ago and still have not gotten it. I'm on Nuendo. Anyone here with the D2B on Nuendo? I have heard many times that the 2 buss in Nuendo is Far better sounding then the PT 2 buss. So,, How much improvement is the D2B from Nuendo? Also, To run all 16 outs I would have to use 8 of the converters in my Tascam dm 24 wich are not great converters. I'm wondering if the trade off is worth it? I have the Cransesong Hedd, An RME ADI 8 pro and the Tascam DM 24. I almost never use the convertars in the Tascam as they really are not great. I would have to with the D2B wouldn't I? Thanks,

Mitch
Old 20th May 2003
  #74
Nik
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D2B Lt arrived today.

Will see how it all goes in the morning.

Nik
Old 20th May 2003
  #75
Old 20th May 2003
  #76
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keep us posted on your experience on using your new dblt...

I've been happy with mine...
Old 20th May 2003
  #77
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Jules I gotta ask you this. I've been debating getting the D2B for months and recently decided against it as I just wasn't convinced it was going to do what I need done to my mixes. I'm on Nuendo. I'm tracking through Neve pre's and the Hedd. And my mixes are shy of the width and size I'm after. I would have to run through 8 Tascam DM 24 converters and 8 RME ADI 8 pro converters and into the D2B. I don't have but one great outboard compresser. A tubtech mono and then I have the RNC. Do you think I would get deeper wider more in your face mixes stemming these mixes then I'm gettng through my stereo 2 bus in Nuendo? I do have a nice outboard stereo eq. Sorry to ask but I had to. I'm not there and I'm just wondering if this is the answer. So many have said no. Thanks,

Mitch
Old 20th May 2003
  #78
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ianneve
Jules I gotta ask you this. I've been debating getting the D2B for months and recently decided against it as I just wasn't convinced it was going to do what I need done to my mixes. I'm on Nuendo. I'm tracking through Neve pre's and the Hedd. And my mixes are shy of the width and size I'm after. I would have to run through 8 Tascam DM 24 converters and 8 RME ADI 8 pro converters and into the D2B. I don't have but one great outboard compresser. A tubtech mono and then I have the RNC. Do you think I would get deeper wider more in your face mixes stemming these mixes then I'm gettng through my stereo 2 bus in Nuendo? I do have a nice outboard stereo eq. Sorry to ask but I had to. I'm not there and I'm just wondering if this is the answer. So many have said no. Thanks,

Mitch
What kind of amp/monitors are you using?..........
Old 20th May 2003
  #79
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Mackie 824.
Old 20th May 2003
  #80
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What's your room like?
Old 20th May 2003
  #81
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Yes this is a good point, the gear the room, etc, but they are not factors. Not that big anyway. Thanks for asking though.
Old 28th May 2003
  #82
Nik
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Hi,

Well the 2-bus is really very nice. Seems to keep things more focused and articulate....especially on dense arrangements.

Could anyone assist me with the following question?

Are you returning the 2-bus L&R master back into your PT rig on an INSERT on
the master fader? If so then (I have done this so I can solo tracks etc) you obviously
lose one pair of 2-bus since PT does not allow you to assign outputs and
Inserts that are the same.

I am sure I am missing something here but am too tired to think.

Anyone care to give me a breakdown on patching as it pertains to a PT rig?

Thanks!
Nik


Old 29th May 2003
  #83
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stupid question?

Whatยดs the benefit of getting a 2-buss instead of getting a good quality 16 ch analog console in the same price range? You get real faders, EQ, aux........
Old 29th May 2003
  #84
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benefits of the 2 buss

I LOVE my D2B. It has stripped the digital veil, restored true stereo and given me great depth of field. That's without prcessing.

It eliminates dither (it's an analog box) so all mixes remain at 24 bits until they hit the mixing destination.. It only does one thing and one thing well as opposed to the box that does it all.

Faders aren't needed because we use virtual faders, automation etc....in the DAW. It increases your headroom and allows your converters to function more efficiently by spreading the load over 16 channels instead of one crowded mix buss.
It increases patching flexiblity with regards to analog gear.

I recently re produced/mixed etc... a major label project that had become too 'desky' (great word).
It was a direct result of someone hearing my D2B mixes

In other words, it was crowded sounding, over produced, less open and SSLish (in a bad way).
The D2B eliminated that and restored the open, 3 dimensional sound.

Get it and you'll love it. It doesn't matter what DAW you're using, it will improve the sound.

SSLs use current summing, Neves use voltage summing, Pro Tools etc....use bit summing. The D2B alows for recovery of headroom under these circumstances. Think of it as the center strip of your console except you can patch anywhere once audio is out of the DAW! No latency problems because it's analog and we're talking picoseconds.
I can't mix without it. (of course that implies that I could mix before)


cheers,
chap
Old 29th May 2003
  #85
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Hum,,, overproduced slushy sounding is my current forte. LOL. Funny how 60 to 80 tracks in Nuendo turns to mush pretty fast. But your bumming me out cause I was just thinking I wouldn't get the D2B and save the money. And learn to love the mush. LOL. Oh the Pain of not enough cash and needing more gear.....
Old 2nd June 2003
  #86
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I would love to listen to a comparison of the ProTools mixbuss and the Dangerous 2buss (or simular device).
Does any of you guys have the time to render 30 sec of each mix and put on a ftp-server or something?


Cheers
Frederick
Old 2nd June 2003
  #87
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Quote:
Originally posted by frenzy
I would love to listen to a comparison of the ProTools mixbuss and the Dangerous 2buss
I would love to listen to a comparision of the mixbuss of a decent 16 ch console in the same price range as the d2b with everything set to 0 and the Dangerous 2buss
Old 7th September 2003
  #88
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Just got mine. At first I was very skeptical and then blown away! Incredible image and depth in my mixes. I recomend it to everybody. Dont get me wrong i love my Protools BUT !!! I will not mix without D2B LT. The D2B LT And Cranesong Hedd 192,STC-8 Combo is Killer!.Trust me.
Old 7th September 2003
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I switched from nuendo to Samplitude 7. Cleared things up for me. Sounds fat and punchy and did I say punchy? :>) Don't think I need D2B. No money for it now anyway. How are you patching it? What are your converters going into it? That is a HUGE factor. You say the D2B and the HEdd. Which I have but your not saying what your really hearing which is your 16 converters into the D2B. I have an REM ADI 8 pro which are decent but then I would be forced to use as the other 8 the DM 24 mixers converters and they pale in comparison to the RME's. So,,,,,,,, This is also a huge factor no...... IT's not just the D2B and your stereo converters it's also what your running into the D2B.
Old 8th September 2003
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Ah,,,,,,, are you answering me? I never inquired and I don't see anyone lately inquiring about that. I never had an issue with which one. It would have always been the LT. But I'm not going there. :>)
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