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How to expand the I/O RME UFX?
Old 19th December 2013
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How to expand the I/O RME UFX?

I currently have a RME UFX interface and I am using 2x focusrite mkii Dynamic to extend the I/O. This way I can take full advantage of the totalMixFx 30 in 30 out setup.

My problem is I don't care for the focusrite mkii dynamic. I don't need the compressor or the preamps.

How are other people getting all the adat I/O capability out of the RME UFX?

Surely the focusrite isn't the only thing out there I can use to take full advantage of the RME i/o capability.
Old 19th December 2013
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I have Audient ASP008 with ADAT out connected to UFX. Works flawlessly, sounds great. Incredible value and features especially for the price, not that it's compromised in any way. Also look into API A2D, you can use it's AES out and get up to 30 ins with additional 2 great pre/ad combo (with ADATs you have 2 x 8 and 12 in the unit so only 28 ins).
Old 19th December 2013
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I have Audient ASP008 with ADAT out connected to UFX. Works flawlessly, sounds great. Incredible value and features especially for the price, not that it's compromised in any way. Also look into API A2D, you can use it's AES out and get up to 30 ins with additional 2 great pre/ad combo (with ADATs you have 2 x 8 and 12 in the unit so only 28 ins).
Those don't have the outs that I need as far as I can tell.

Also, I'm not sure how the aes gives 30ins. That's something I need to look into.

Main thing I need though is to have the adat IN and OUTS
Old 19th December 2013
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Antelope Orion would give you 32 I/O in one unit.

Or (even though I don't really love Motu) you could look into their 24 I/O models if you were on a budget.
Old 19th December 2013
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Originally Posted by d33psp33d View Post
I currently have a RME UFX interface and I am using 2x focusrite mkii Dynamic to extend the I/O. This way I can take full advantage of the totalMixFx 30 in 30 out setup.

My problem is I don't care for the focusrite mkii dynamic. I don't need the compressor or the preamps.

How are other people getting all the adat I/O capability out of the RME UFX?

Surely the focusrite isn't the only thing out there I can use to take full advantage of the RME i/o capability.
I run my standalone pres [M1, Pacifica, ISA, BG2, Sytek (16 channels)] into an Apogee AD16X to UFX via ADAT, API A2D into AES (2 chan), Audient ASP008 into RME analogue 1-8 and then there are the 4 RME mic pres= 30 inputs. Clock UFX and A2D from the Apogee via wordclock.
Old 19th December 2013
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Antelope Orion would give you 32 I/O in one unit.

Or (even though I don't really love Motu) you could look into their 24 I/O models if you were on a budget.
That Antelope Audio Orion 32 would work but I'm confused because it looks like the Antelope Audio Orion 32 is also an interface. How would I run both the RME and this at the same time. I mean which software would be used, would I even need to keep the rme ufx?
Old 19th December 2013
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Lynx Aurora 16 with the ADAT card option works nicely to add 16 I/O to the UFX. You'll need external pres.
Old 19th December 2013
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Originally Posted by d33psp33d View Post
That Antelope Audio Orion 32 would work but I'm confused because it looks like the Antelope Audio Orion 32 is also an interface. How would I run both the RME and this at the same time. I mean which software would be used, would I even need to keep the rme ufx?
You actually could use the ADAT I/O to bridge in the Antelope, I don't think you'd ever all of the Orion 32's channels, but you wouldn't be in a bad spot. Though honestly it might be best to trade up to the Antelope and flip the UFX in order to fund it.

At that point if you really desire Total Mix you could always get a MADI card from RME. (just might be simpler.)
Old 25th December 2013
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...it might be best to trade up to the Antelope and flip the UFX in order to fund it.
That's what I'm thinking about doing ...
Old 10th June 2019
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How would you set up a madi card for the RME UFX+?

So that I could connect extra outboard gear once the UFX+ runs out of ins and outs?

Or what is the best solution here in 2019?
Old 10th June 2019
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Find an SSL Alpha Link MADI AX.
Old 10th June 2019
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If you like the RME conversion, RME has a never of ADAT converters that will work blissfully with the UFX.
M16-AD and M16-DA would fill your needs.

It's a matter of budget though.
Most of the cheaper converters have built in preamps like the ADA-8200. The straight conversion stuff is usually more expensive (not to say there aren't preamp/converter combos on the high end)
Old 10th June 2019
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Depending on how big of a hurry you’re in you might want to wait for the Cranborne 500ADAT to come out. You not only get 8 channels of conversion but an 8-slot 500 rack and some basic cue mix and monitoring capabilities. Looks like it would be perfect for a small hybrid studio.
Old 10th June 2019
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Old 10th June 2019
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You have the UFXplus with MADI, right?

The SSL Alpha MADI gives you 48 analog in and out plus another 48 adat in and out to use with outboard converters.

They all work.

I think the RME handles 128 MADI channels

I run all my analog channels plus I have a UA 4-710d on one of the ADATS. I had an Apogee ADDA 16x series on the Adats prior. Monster channel count!

Basically, the SSL becomes a massive MADI HUB for analog and digital signals.

I dumped my UFXplus for a MADIface once I realized this.
Old 12th June 2019
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Ferrofish
This! The Ferrofish devices are really nice, no matter if you go for the Ferrofish Pulse 16 MX (I use these) or for the Ferrofish A32


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I think the RME handles 128 MADI channels
I'm afraid it's 64 channels only
Old 12th June 2019
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This! The Ferrofish devices are really nice, no matter if you go for the Ferrofish Pulse 16 MX (I use these) or for the Ferrofish A32



I'm afraid it's 64 channels only
The RME handles 128 channels on MADI.

The UFXplus has an impressive channel count: 12 analog + 16 ADAT + 2 AES + 64 MADI = 94 channels input plus output = 188 channels in total.

https://www.rme-audio.de/en/products...e_ufx-plus.php


The MADIface is equally as impressive

136-Channel MADI USB interface
for mobile computers
MADI I/O

The optical MADI I/O offers 64 input and out channels, and sample rates up to 192 kHz. It is fully supported in TotalMix FX, with the analog I/Os simultaneously available, resulting in 68 channels input and 68 channels output over USB 2.

So this unit handles 136 channels.

Not too shabby!!!

And what I was saying, was that an SSL MADI Alpha Link are inexpensive, yet sound pretty amazing. Michael Wagener used the Alpha Link for years.

Wagener moved to Los Angeles. In 1981 he produced the first Dokken album, and would go on to produce such seminal albums as Skid Row's self-titled debut, which sold five million copies in the US alone. Wagener also mixed Metallica's 1986 classic Master of Puppets. He also engineered the single version of Janet Jackson's "Black Cat," his only pop collaboration.[4]

Wagener has produced or mixed platinum selling albums by Mötley Crüe, W.A.S.P., Overkill, Accept, Great White, Stryper, Poison, Keel, Alice Cooper, Lordi, Extreme, Megadeth, Janet Jackson, Ozzy Osbourne, Dokken, Metallica, White Lion, and Skid Row.
Old 12th June 2019
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The RME handles 128 channels on MADI.
If you count 64 IN + 64 Out …. yes.
But I know that there is some level of uncertainty for interested people due to the fact that the RME UFX+ has optical AND coaxial MADI I/O … which in fact doesn't double the I/O count to 128 IN + 128 OUT.
Old 12th June 2019
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Surely the focusrite isn't the only thing out there I can use to take full advantage of the RME i/o capability.
I recently bought the Ferrofish Pulse 16 to expand my RME Fireface UFX II. German made. Great unit.
Old 12th June 2019
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I recently bought the Ferrofish Pulse 16 to expand my RME Fireface UFX II. German made. Great unit.
I added a Ferrofish A16 MkII to my UFX+ a couple of years ago, using MADI to connect them. It's been a flawless, bulletproof system that sounds great. The A32 is next on my list so we can expand channel count. Highly recommended.
Old 12th June 2019
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I added a Ferrofish A16 MkII to my UFX+ a couple of years ago, using MADI to connect them. It's been a flawless, bulletproof system that sounds great. The A32 is next on my list so we can expand channel count. Highly recommended.
I just have the plain ADAT one. I think it's the original Pulse 16...then they made the MADI one and there's another format one too. But yeah, mine is the straight up ADAT one. I think that's how to describe it. Nice unit.
Old 13th June 2019
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I just have the plain ADAT one. I think it's the original Pulse 16...then they made the MADI one and there's another format one too. But yeah, mine is the straight up ADAT one. I think that's how to describe it. Nice unit.
Nice. That was basically my setup as well, using a regular Fireface UFX as the hub, which worked beautifully for several years. The problem came when a track arrived that needed a bunch of drums all recorded at 96K (which started to happen more and more often within the past few years).

Suddenly losing half my preamps through the ADAT became a big problem, as did rewiring mics to the preamps I most wanted to use [OK, what was Input 3 is now... uh...). The UFX+/A16 MkII combo connected by MADI doesn't even blink when those sessions come in - life is good!
Old 13th June 2019
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Nice. That was basically my setup as well, using a regular Fireface UFX as the hub, which worked beautifully for several years. The problem came when a track arrived that needed a bunch of drums all recorded at 96K (which started to happen more and more often within the past few years).

Suddenly losing half my preamps through the ADAT became a big problem, as did rewiring mics to the preamps I most wanted to use [OK, what was Input 3 is now... uh...). The UFX+/A16 MkII combo connected by MADI doesn't even blink when those sessions come in - life is good!
Sounds great. For me, I'm just recording at home for fun so 44.1 will be ok. I basically needed the extra i/o for 2x sets of speakers and mixing...having a number of channels of hardware eq and compression...as well as multi channels of preamp action. But I'm all set now. No more i/o required. I think.
Old 13th June 2019
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I am using a UFX with two RME ADI-8 DS MKIII, which is an incredible combination. Especially the ADI sounds awesome for hardware inserts as it is so neutral...
Old 13th June 2019
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so MADI is definitely the way to go with expansion? Not the AES/EBU ports or optical? This is the one area my knowledge is lacking.

I don't need any more mic preamps I have 4 on my RME UFX+ and 1 in my Neve.

Just for high fidelity connection to mastering eq, mastering compressor, etc. I dont really know if it is best to stay all RME, if there is a benefit to it with TotalMix etc. or as mentioned above wait for some of the new MADI expanders to come out.

I know there's a lot out there, not clued up on the best brands for this type of thing and how they would react with the UFX+.
Old 13th June 2019
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This! The Ferrofish devices are really nice, no matter if you go for the Ferrofish Pulse 16 MX (I use these) or for the Ferrofish A32



I'm afraid it's 64 channels only
Quite like this Ferrofish! As I would probably only need 16. Not looking to sell a kidney for a Madi Expansion, or take up more than 3u/4u.

The SSL one is also decent.

RME AD and RME DA would take up 4u, not for me.

The MOTU 828es also looks okay.
Old 13th June 2019
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I simply like MADI for channel count.

The UFXplus has MADI optical/electrical and ADAT.

It’s not like MADI is inherently better than ADAT.
Old 13th June 2019
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Seems like everyone has given me MADI options and none ADAT or Optical so it appears MADI is far more popular.

How would you go connecting the analog gear to this then, is it cables like this?
https://www.synthax.co.uk/alva/analo...lr-male-cable/

So each MADI slot can take 8? on the AD/DA

This is all new to me, and a bit fascinating.
Old 13th June 2019
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Isn't MADi just superior in terms of bandwidth? For example, my Ferrofish Pulse 16 operates at 44.1...the Ferrofish MADI unit operates up to 96

Capej...I didn't give the MADI option. I went optical because MADI is devilishly expensive.
Old 15th June 2019
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Quite like this Ferrofish! As I would probably only need 16. Not looking to sell a kidney for a Madi Expansion, or take up more than 3u/4u.

The SSL one is also decent.

RME AD and RME DA would take up 4u, not for me.

The MOTU 828es also looks okay.
16 channels I/O with two RME ADI-8 DS MKIII would be two 2u.
SSL Alphalink is nice too, but not in the same league as the ADI...
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