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What order do you get sounds in?
Old 18th September 2002
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What order do you get sounds in?

I started thinking about it this morning while painting the live room (bright orange!!!) and I realized that I've been doing the same thing with bands for years. After they load in I get the drum sounds first, then bass then guitars or keys in whatever order the musicians want to go in. So, in effect I'm basing all the other sounds on a project around the drums.

So, next time I think I'm going to change things around a bit and start with guitar and bass, get those working together well and then add the drums. Thoughts? What order do you get sounds in?
Old 18th September 2002
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Re: What order do you get sounds in?

For me it depends on the type of music. Typically, I start with the drums and bass since I look at them as the foundation to the mix.

On chorus' I tend to start with the voices, then add the instruments to that.

On folk or other guitar based music, I tend to start with the string instruments and then blend in the drum tracks.

Sometimes I get to mix stuff I didn't track. If the tracks have a lot of leakage, I usually start with the tracks that have the most bleed from other instruments.

I mixed a jazz record last year that had a lot of drum leakage on the piano tracks. Instead of starting with the drums, I started with the piano. There was no way to reduce the drum bleed without sacrificing the piano sound, so I went for the best sound I could get on the piano. Once I got the sound I liked for the piano, I listened to where the drums sat in the mix. I noticed there was mostly cymbal bleed to deal with. I time delayed the drum kit to match the cymbal bleed from the piano mics and blended the drum kit to fit in just right. This worked out fine.

Old 18th September 2002
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i just get everything set up and signal flowing. then i adjust as the band plays as a whole. i start with the drums because they take the longest... but im not getting actual sounds until everything is going.
Old 18th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by alphajerk
i just get everything set up and signal flowing. then i adjust as the band plays as a whole. i start with the drums because they take the longest... but im not getting actual sounds until everything is going.
Agreed... I worry about getting basic levels at first then adjust the spices when everythings in the pot. I also like to start with drums for pretty much the same reason.
Old 18th September 2002
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It's usually drums first for me, too. But I mixed a swing record that mostly had a brushes on a snare, so I made the foundation for the record the upright bass - it was the only thing that went through every song.
Old 19th September 2002
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Originally posted by Dave Martin
It's usually drums first for me, too. But I mixed a swing record that mostly had a brushes on a snare, so I made the foundation for the record the upright bass - it was the only thing that went through every song.
Yeah, it's about deciding which instruments are gonna be the anchor or foundation to your mix or sound field.
Old 19th September 2002
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Interesting, does that factor into mic choice and placement as well? So you guys set up mics, do a line check and then have everyone start playing? Usually once I get all the individual sounds together I have everyone start playing together and then I'll fine tune things and move or swap mics if I need to.
Old 19th September 2002
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Usually we go with our normal placement and adjust from there. Eight out of 10 times we know which mics and DI's are going to be used a head of time. But I also bring extra choices (backups), 'cause you never know what may happen. I've found that favorite and/or first choices don't always work out.

Yes, exactly... After the band techs finish their stage setup, we start setting up the stands, mics, DI's. When everything's plugged in, we run through a "scratch and sniff" of all the mic and DI lines. Once everything is "everything" we just let them rip. I usually go for sounds while they're playing together. Fine tuning and if applicable, moving or swapping stuff around to taste.

Other times you're lucky to get 5 minutes with the band before they have to run to an interview or something. That's why we multitrack the soundcheck. I roll on the multi once all the mic pre's, etc. are set. After they left the stage, you can continue to work on your sound, playing back that "5 minute take" until you got it straight. That's a much better situation then keeping them from their other ventures, let alone losing them before you got your act together

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Old 19th September 2002
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I go in the drums-bass-guitar mode myself. Once the band is playing I tweak things more. I usually do some more tweaking after a couple takes. I think drums are the foundation, so I start there.

When I mix i kind of move around a lot. Get the drums started, work on bass, or vocal start mute ideas whatever. I think of the mix as more circular, but tracking is more linear.
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