Great River PWM-501
Old 8th May 2013
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Great River PWM-501

I have one of these in my possession and looking forward to trying out. Anyone else get a chance to try it yet? Also is it me or is there no manual available online. It says to download from the GREWEB.com site but I cant find it. Thanks mc
Old 8th May 2013
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FYI, Just got a message from Dan at GR and it will be getting uploaded to the site. Thanks Dan!
Old 8th May 2013
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I have a pair that I'm kicking the tires on right now. I've found them to be very versatile. They can be set to be smooth and transparent all the way to aggressive. The variable feedforward and feedback control is a handy feature. You can dial in a snappy and fast SSL type with the FF, or go more rounded and slower with the FB, or anywhere in between.
It took me a little while to get used the relationship between the ratio and threshold controls. Both affect each other unlike most compressors I've used. Dan Kennedy can explain how they interact better than I can. In my use, I've found that setting to what you expect to be a fixed ratio changes depending on where the threshold is set. It actually forces to you listen and make changes, which is what we all should be doing anyway.
You can dial in a very specific compression, or even peak limiting depending on where you set the controls.
So far, I've used them on vocals, bass guitar, acoustic guitar, and drums. They have excelled on all of them.
I have a Crane Song STC-8 in my arsenal. That beast is a PWM sidechain as well. The Crane Song usually sits on my mix bus as it's the most transparent compressor I've run across. The Great River PWM-501's seem to be more versatile with it's range of settings and sounds. I almost never use the STC-8 for tracking. I like to get a little color going on the way in. I've found the PWM-501's can do both well.
I will be buying this pair for sure.
Old 9th May 2013
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I have a pair that I'm kicking the tires on right now. I've found them to be very versatile. They can be set to be smooth and transparent all the way to aggressive. The variable feedforward and feedback control is a handy feature. You can dial in a snappy and fast SSL type with the FF, or go more rounded and slower with the FB, or anywhere in between.
It took me a little while to get used the relationship between the ratio and threshold controls. Both affect each other unlike most compressors I've used. Dan Kennedy can explain how they interact better than I can. In my use, I've found that setting to what you expect to be a fixed ratio changes depending on where the threshold is set. It actually forces to you listen and make changes, which is what we all should be doing anyway.
You can dial in a very specific compression, or even peak limiting depending on where you set the controls.
So far, I've used them on vocals, bass guitar, acoustic guitar, and drums. They have excelled on all of them.
I have a Crane Song STC-8 in my arsenal. That beast is a PWM sidechain as well. The Crane Song usually sits on my mix bus as it's the most transparent compressor I've run across. The Great River PWM-501's seem to be more versatile with it's range of settings and sounds. I almost never use the STC-8 for tracking. I like to get a little color going on the way in. I've found the PWM-501's can do both well.
I will be buying this pair for sure.
Yea, I've been digging it as well. Man, this comp is fast, fast, fast! I've tried it on a bunch of tracks and it works really well on everything but particularly shines for me on Kick and snare. I can get downright surgical with the attack and get a ridiculous crack on the snare. I haven't tracked with it yet but will try it in a little bit.
Old 9th May 2013
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I agree with all the above. For me, I really LOVE it on bass. So good!


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Yea, I've been digging it as well. Man, this comp is fast, fast, fast! I've tried it on a bunch of tracks and it works really well on everything but particularly shines for me on Kick and snare. I can get downright surgical with the attack and get a ridiculous crack on the snare. I haven't tracked with it yet but will try it in a little bit.
Are you tracking with them on drums or mixing. I've only mixed some drums with them so far and loved it. I've tracked a bunch of over dubs with them and they have responded fantastic to everything.
Old 9th May 2013
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I agree with all the above. For me, I really LOVE it on bass. So good!




Are you tracking with them on drums or mixing. I've only mixed some drums with them so far and loved it. I've tracked a bunch of over dubs with them and they have responded fantastic to everything.
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I havent tracked anything with it yet, just inserted on a few tracks of different instruments to see how it reacts. i'll try to do some tracks this weekend.
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I almost never use the STC-8 for tracking. I like to get a little color going on the way in.
You should at least try tracking vocals with it if you haven't already. IMO, that's the best thing it does. (sorry, OT)

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You should at least try tracking vocals with it if you haven't already. IMO, that's the best thing it does. (sorry, OT)

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Do you use the limiter when you track vocals with it? (again OT, haha)
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Old 13th May 2013
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Do you use the limiter when you track vocals with it? (again OT, haha)
No, it's too easy to distort the limiter, and when tracking I give myself plenty of headroom in Pro Tools. I usually use some version of preset A, just shaving off a few db. It just smooths things out a bit, adds a wee bit of warmth and doesn't lock me into any particular color. I save the heavyweight compression, if desired, for mixdown.

Actually I usually use the A setting in the upper right quadrant, which features attack mod, so I guess I am using the limiter a bit. (the limiter works to tighten up the compressor's attack in this mode).

-R
Old 19th July 2013
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Great River PWM-501!
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Old 5th January 2014
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Any more updates/feedback? They look really interesting for the end of my vocal chain! Has anyone used them on a drum or mix buss??

Cheers
Old 6th April 2014
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Here's some video with audio examples of the PWM-501 in use.
First video is an overview of the features.









Old 7th April 2014
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The video shows how it works great on acoustic guitar. Love it.
Old 15th April 2014
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This is Rick Beato. He's produced some of my favorite records. Plus, his beard has a life of its own.

Old 15th April 2014
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Damn I want one of these.
Old 20th April 2014
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Does anyone know if this is electronically balanced in/out or has transformers in and or out? Looked on the Great River site, google, etc. turned up nothing. Doesn't really matter but i'm curious!

Thanks
Old 31st October 2014
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Hi, just saw this.

The PWM-501 is a transformerless balanced input, a THAT 1206 to be precise, and a transformer coupled output stage.

That and the PWM controlled analog switch is all that there is to the audio path. Well, almost, there's a low pass filter in the input stage, and a reconstruction filter in the output, but they're done passively.
Old 1st July 2015
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Yadda bump... I´m pretty sure this will be my next purchase... any more users out there?
Old 1st July 2015
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Yadda bump... I´m pretty sure this will be my next purchase... any more users out there?
Super fast...very grabby. ..very flexible. Not a character piece but has a sound. Not for a novice, you must know what your doing! Beautiful compressor that links pretty tightly for buss duties.
Old 1st July 2015
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I use mine every day during tracking. These little guys are amazing. They work on every source. I'm constantly impressed with them.
Old 4 Weeks Ago
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as versatile as this compressor is, would you say you can get an opto like compression going on this with feedback setting and med attk, med slow release setting with 4:1 to 10:1 ratio?

was thinking of putting it after an 1176 for a fet>opto vocal chain kinda thing.
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Dan, for those of us not using 500 series gear, do you have any plans for a 19" rack stereo version of the PWM-501, to sit with MP-2NV and EQ-2NV? That would complete the trio for me, and the smile on my face. :
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as versatile as this compressor is, would you say you can get an opto like compression going on this with feedback setting and med attk, med slow release setting with 4:1 to 10:1 ratio?

was thinking of putting it after an 1176 for a fet>opto vocal chain kinda thing.

yeah, i guess...though when i think opto i think La2a. this isn't that, but by kicking the feedback up as opposed to feed forward plus delaying
the attack time, i can get a pretty soft behavior.

try it!
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