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Dating Marshall amps by serial number?
Old 11th September 2002
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Dating Marshall amps by serial number?

Is there a website or anything where I can figure out how old a Marshall amp is? I just scored a 2205 which is a JCM 800 two channel 50 watter with 'verb. I was about to buy a JCM 2000 DSL 50 watter but I decided to have lunch first so I went to Wendys. Well, on the way back to Scam Cash I decided to stop in Banjo Sinner for a quick look around and there it was. A slightly beat up 800 for $550. I played, I pulled out the cash for a deposit and I'm bringing it home tomorrow night.

So now the big question is, how old is it? I checked www.marshallamps.com and there's nothing there to figure that out.
Old 11th September 2002
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This should do it...

http://www.olywa.net/blame/mar/date.htm

- jon
Old 11th September 2002
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Good thinking Jay, I would choose any 800 over any 900 or 2000. Also, there is a book called the "history of Marshall" or something like that and it has a lot of good info on up to the 900's, including S/N's.


Ian
Old 12th September 2002
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Thanks for the link. According to that the amp was made in 1984. I had been wanting a Marshall for a long time. I've got some other cool stuff here like a VHT Pitbull, Vox, Sound City 120 (might be for sale BTW) Boogie etc. but I was missing that sound. Almost three years ago I let a single channel 800 slip through my fingers because it was a 100 watt and I wanted a 50. Rather then pull a pair of power tubes I figured I'd look around and find another one in a month or two. Well, the next ones I saw had insane (IMHO) pricetags on them. I used to see them for $300-450 and all of a sudden they were double that plus.

Getting an old Plexi was out of the question due to pricing and the fact that they're tempermental as hell. I had recorded and played through the 2000's a few times and really liked the DSL which sounds much fatter and more focused then the TSL. Scam Cash had a pair of 50-watt B-stocks for $699 and I was about to pull the trigger on one. The 900's are crap IMHO, at least all of the dual channel ones I've played. I've heard a few SLX's and those sounded good if your into the high gain thing but were still a little buzzy for my tastes.

Yeah, I'm happy with the 800. Sounds like a Marshall. yuktyy
Old 12th September 2002
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I recently recorded a young high school band, and both the guitar player's parents bought them brand new Mesa Boogie half stacks. When we recorded we used a Marshall cab in stereo, Mesa on one side, my Marshall JCM 800 on the other. Both close miced with 57's going into Millennia HV-3's. Guess which one they picked blindly every time??

Marshall.

Not like they were experienced connesiours of tone, but it makes me feel better knowing that I own the Marshall and not the Mesa. I'm not saying the Marshall is the end all of tone, but one color I prefer.

(end of Marshall elitist rant...)
Ian
Old 12th September 2002
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the new fu manchu has the 2k's on it... it sounds so freaking fat. i was suprised to find that what the amp they used.

the 800's suck ass. i HATE them. 900's suck more ass though.

i really like the 45's the best but their $$$ aint worth the tone.


now the Orange OD120 is the all out winner. that or a vintage Matamp. its THAT SOUND. makes my dick hard.

right now i have a sound city 120, a vht pitbull50, a orange OD120, an 800 [and a couple ****ty amps... well i guess the 800 could go in this] and the Orange wins hands down on every tone every time with the OD's we are laying down right now. the 800 doesnt even get turned on anymore after getting smoked time after time.
Old 12th September 2002
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Alpha,
Ok, I will agree that the Orange is a very nice amp and gives the Marshall a run for it's money. What 800 do you have?

Ian
Old 12th September 2002
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Yeah, which 800? I'm getting my Sound City 120 worked on right now and it'll be back to 100% in about a week. And if I'm still not loving it I'll launch it. Any chance you'd want to trade? I've never been totally in love with that amp. What kind of stuff do you find yourself using it on?
Old 12th September 2002
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man, that sound city is the ****. its what townsend used to use before hiwatt [its what hiwatt became]. JIMI used them too. i plug into the sound city and its JIMI for daze like onaxis. just crank the living piss out of it. you gotta play with the EQ to get it just right... its some weird active EQ, like when they are on ZERO, the band fully cuts out all together.

i use it for clean sounding stuff to kinda gritty stuff. or you can put like a Big Muff [original or Pi] and get a super lead tone.


the 800's just have WAY too much top end and NO BALLS. and its almost impossible to dial it in just right. its like you need to run a high gain signal into it just to get it to sing... and even then. i will have to check on the exact model. but the only 800 series i have come across with any sort of balls is a 1x12 combo that a friend of mine brought in once. i dont know why that one sounded better [but still not great]... his Ampeg combo sounded much better.


still, an Orange/Matamp is still the best amp ever made IMNSHO.
Old 12th September 2002
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A.J.'s right. 800s have no balls! '77 JMP-1 50 watt into 4x25 watt Celestions
Old 13th September 2002
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AJ, you want to launch that 800? I could find a good home for it. Not mine because I have one but I know lots of people looking for 'em.
Old 14th September 2002
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AJ, how much do you push the amps when you record? I find that my 800 sounds really weak when used low, but when I crank it, it really opens up. Not all the way up, maybe on like 4 or something. Oh yeah, what model is yours and what type of output tube? The US versions were shipped with 6L6's (fender style), I changed mine to EL34's (UK Marshall) and I like it a bit better.

Ian
Old 16th September 2002
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they were 34's in there. im wondering if the 6l6's might sound a lot better... less breakup, more push.

i dunno jay, it was this guitarists head who i am recording right now. he played the Orange OD120+Orange 4x12 cabinet and said he had problems paying attention to what he was playing because he kept thinking how damn good the amp sounded.

Oranges just kick total ass. [or Matamp]

i dont know why on earth anyone would want a 800 though.
Old 16th September 2002
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Dropping 6L6's into the Marshall will make it fatter but then it won't sound like a Marshall. I don't know if that's a good thing for you or not. Personally I think it's bad because I like the EL34 midrange bite in a Marshall. I have 6L6's in my Dual Rectifier and Carvin X100B if I want that kind of sound.

Even though I've had this amp for a few days so far I've had the bass just about all the way up and the treble and presence usually aren't higher then 4 or 5. Any higher then that and your right, it gets thin and bright.

I know Orange but what's the deal with Matamp?
Old 16th September 2002
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Seeing as this is the Amp hang thread...

On Michael Wageners recomendation for a good 'all round' rock workhorse recording set up - I bought an Engle Savage 120 Special Edition. I have a stereo cab - one side has vintage the other 30? speakers in it (my idea) either way they are different and give me recording options I dig.

I aim to get an open backed 2 x 12 as well with fender blue Elnico speakers in it to complete the scene - (for clean combo sounds)

That will do me for a while alongside amps the bands bring themselves... Just so happens the one coming in to overdub mid next week, claim to have a great Marshall 800 - I will see how it shapes up with the Engle gear..

Also - a golden eared guitar chum who has been through all the Line6 stuff reckons that the Distortion Modeler is actually worth having.. I may pick one up.. I dunno if I can be f***ked to collect all the distortion pedals ever made.. I just have a Hot Cake pedal presently.....

rollz
Old 17th September 2002
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I don't know about that Line 6 distortion thing. I'd want to try one first because I'm not a huge fan of their amps or the POD and I can't imagine the distortion modeler being THAT much different.

Like, has anyone seen the UPS racing commercial with Joe Walsh? He's playing a Les Paul through a Line 6 and it sounds like crap. Total cheese whiz angry bee sound, from the guy that played Funk #49 which is a great tone. There's a difference between a guitar tone and a guitar sound. I like tone. The players I like have tone. For example, Duane Allman = tone. Steve Vai = sound.

Collecting a few different distortion pedals is easy. Kids are always buying and selling them. Having a 1/2 dozen around can really open up some options while overdubbing.
Old 17th September 2002
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not to mention that pedals are pretty cheap.

Matamp=Orange. Matamp built them, Orange labelled them.

Matamp/Orange=TONE
Old 17th September 2002
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So, are there amps out there with the Matamp label on them? Kind of like the Marshall/Park thing? I'm always on the lookout for bargins and finding a cheap Orange would be great. Mostly because I like the color orange. I'm going to paint my live room this week and guess what color I got? Orange!yuktyy
Old 17th September 2002
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orange is a great color. my favorite right now.

Matamp [vintage] are actually MORE than Orange. i know a place where you can get Orange OD120 heads for $850 including air freight. but those Matamp [vintage] amps look WICKED as hell. real black sabbathy. they are black tolex, white plate, black lettering.

the NEW Matamps go for $1800 for the head. $1200 for the cabinet.... but they are labelled [BLUE,GREEN,RED,BLACK,POTLEAF] i would dig a blue and a black one. green would be kinda cool too. hell, red... whynot.
Old 17th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Kahrs
I don't know about that Line 6 distortion thing. I'd want to try one first because I'm not a huge fan of their amps or the POD and I can't imagine the distortion modeler being THAT much different.
Jules, I tried the Line 6 distortion modeler and was pretty disappointed. It sounded harsh and fake to me. I'm a big fan of the delay and modulation modelers though. The Tech21 SansAmp Classic is infinitely more useful IMO. It works best as a front end to an amp, it kinda sucks as a direct recording source.

- jon
Old 19th September 2002
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I have a Tech 21 Sansamp GT2 (agh, say that a few times!) which sounds great running into the front end of an amp. I also have the Comportion and XXL pedals which are like a regular stompbox. Also great pedals. A real sleeper pedal is the DOD fuzz that they made a few years ago. I think it's called the "classic fuzz" or something. Sounds identical to a Fuzz Face but it about 1/5 of the price IF you can find one.
Old 29th September 2002
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Marshall 1987 (50w non-master) through 4x12 with G12H-30's= instant 70's rock sound. IMHO Hiwatt, Orange/Matamp and Sound City are all good and priceworthy alternatives, but for a good basic rock/metal amp, i like the Marshall the most.

Lars
Old 29th September 2002
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My Sound City 120 sounds a lot better since I got it back. My tech recapped the whole thing, re-biased and cleaned it up. Now I need a Power Break or something because when it's wide open it'll knock you through the back wall. Still, it sounds great.
Old 29th September 2002
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A Power Brake won`t do any good, when you have the sound to a workable level, all sound is lost....

I`ve had more sucess with a THD Hot Plate, doesn`t ruin the sound as much as the Power Brake.
Old 30th September 2002
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yeah, those hot plates are much better. man, i was running the sound city during the guitar od's for crank county and the amp was so freaking loud i had to plug my ears when i went in to adjust the mic or even go in the live room.

doesnt sonic youth use the sound city's also?
Old 30th September 2002
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Thurston is into an old Peavey, I think the Roadmaster or something. They're in the new issue of Guitar Player. Also, I didn't see any Sound City amps when I was at their studio last December. Maybe Jules can pipe in because he was there with me but there was soooo much music gear there it was nothing short of amazing. If you really want to know I could always ask them.
Old 30th September 2002
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ive heard they use PA heads... maybe those were the peaveys.
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