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Old 14th July 2006
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What kind of attack times are you guys using with plug ins on the kik drum when mixing heavy, hard rock? 2ms? 5ms? faster or slower? Just curious.
Old 14th July 2006
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Usually around 20 - 50 ms...you wanna let the attack of the kick through pretty much uncompressed...

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it wildly depends on the drum, the guy hitting the drum, the style of music, the whole sound of the song, and the whole feel of the record.

how do i find what's what and why i should use it?

i start with slowest attack and fastest release settings available on whatever compressor i'm dealing with (and i do prefer certain compressors on certain sources/instruments, but i don't want to go into that here. this is more explaining HOW i came to these decisions). then i turn the attack faster and faster until the instrument (kick drum in your example) starts to "dull down" or seem less important. that's where i stop for now, right at that point. from there, i start to slow down the release so that before the next kick drum hit starts, the volume of the signal is back to normal. this'll create a "breathing" effect, as some call it. i just call it "in time with the song or crucial beat of a section". the other stuff (amount of compression, ratio, and final adjustments to attack and release) i decide 100% to my personal taste and how i feel about the song at the very time my hand is on the compressor.

i'd love to tell you a golden way that makes all kick drums rule, but it doesn't exist. this little method of turning knobs makes it easier to find what sounds good faster rather than fukking around with crappy presets on a plugin or drawings on a reference sheet.
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right on guys...I kow it was a bit of a funny question but I was just curious what you guys do generally fo hard rock...I usually find my attack time somewhere in the 2-10 ms range on the kik track with most plugs doing a tiny bit of GR. Then killing it on mults and parallel bus with a a slower attack and really fast release generally. On the regular Drum bus I'm in the 30-40 ms. attack range knocking off maybe 3-6 db.
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right on guys...I'm not a rookie believe it or not I kow it was a bit of a funny question but I was just curious what you guys do generally fo hard rock...I usually find my attack time somewhere in the 2-10 ms range with most plugs.
That's mighty fast for my tastes
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Originally Posted by superburtm
What kind of attack times are you guys using with plug ins on the kik drum when mixing heavy, hard rock? 2ms? 5ms? faster or slower? Just curious.
Sorry, just using the 160x

I dont trust the plugs




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That's mighty fast for my tastes

I'm doing that on the kik track not the busses..and only grabbing a few db. just to kinda smooth it out.
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Sorry, just using the 160x


''I actually use one of those going in thumbsup
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Did you ever get your 1176 ?

I almost have enough $$$ for my Mc77
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Did you ever get your 1176 ?

I almost have enough $$$ for my Mc77
no

I'm kinda embracing Plugs right now. Just got the Diamond bundle and I am enjoying the Chandler limiterthumbsup

I would love to check out a mc77 in person
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Cool,

I have been using Smack......

A bit , but not on drums



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no


I would love to check out a mc77 in person
I figure i will get it first then go for the LA2


My room is done, you should come down !!!!



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I figure i will get it first then go for the LA2


My room is done, you should come down !!!!



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haha you beat me to the punch! Check your PM's
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Cool...guess the less GR the faster attack ya can get away with huh? Actualy...just tried a 10 ms attack on a problem snare and kind of dig it...proves again....FIXED SETTINGS IN YOU BRAIN DON'T ALWAYS WORK THE BEST!!!! But then again...you asked about kick....hmmm.
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Cool...guess the less GR the faster attack ya can get away with huh? Actualy...just tried a 10 ms attack on a problem snare and kind of dig it...proves again....FIXED SETTINGS IN YOU BRAIN DON'T ALWAYS WORK THE BEST!!!! But then again...you asked about kick....hmmm.

with snare I use generally a slower attack than I do on kik. thumbsup
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