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Soo What are you using Aes/Ebu for?
Old 10th June 2006
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Soo What are you using Aes/Ebu for?

i'm leaning all over a mytek 8x192 wif FireWire
or an Apogee Rosetta 800 wif FireWire..

and i'm wondering how i'm gonna get more than 8 i/o

and i'm staring at that Aes/Ebu Dsub port...

how the hell can i use that bugger...

please help...

i'm sinking in ignorance...

thanks in advance..
Old 10th June 2006
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Originally Posted by r0ck1r0ck2
i'm leaning all over a mytek 8x192 wif FireWire
or an Apogee Rosetta 800 wif FireWire..

and i'm wondering how i'm gonna get more than 8 i/o

and i'm staring at that Aes/Ebu Dsub port...

how the hell can i use that bugger...

please help...

i'm sinking in ignorance...

thanks in advance..

You plug it into a Lynx AES16 card via one of Lynx premade AES dsub to dsub snakes (Mytek and Apogee have a different wiring protocol). If you get another 8 channel A/D/A, the Lynx card will handle another 8 channels of AES for a total of 16 channels. You can run more than one AES16 card too simultaneously if you need more digital I/O. It's very simple, the whole process takes about 5 minutes to hook up.
Old 10th June 2006
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Is the firewire dio card available yet? i was thinking of getting the mytek.
Old 10th June 2006
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Thanks for the replies..

talked to this dealer..says that the entire r&d team at mytek is trying to bang out the FireWire card as fast as possible...

says that it's turning into Apocalypse Now at Mytek..

ok i made up that last part.

le problem wif that Lynx card is that i'm going laptop..

got any standalone AES/EBU options.?

how about for a Foursome of AES/EBU to Analog and Back..
Old 10th June 2006
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soo...standalone aes/ebu to analog and back?

anyone?
Old 10th June 2006
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RME do laptop cards with adat ins, I'm not sure about AES

Mytek definitely have adat cards available

narco
Old 10th June 2006
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well i guess i was under the impression that with some more ad/da i could use the aes/ebu port as extra analog i/o...

does any of this make sense..

and i know they make a adat card for the mytek...
hopefully the buggers shipping..

again thanks for the replies...
keep em coming...
More please!!
Old 10th June 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by r0ck1r0ck2
well i guess i was under the impression that with some more ad/da i could use the aes/ebu port as extra analog i/o...

does any of this make sense..

and i know they make a adat card for the mytek...
hopefully the buggers shipping..

again thanks for the replies...
keep em coming...
More please!!
I have to admit I'm not quite sure what you're asking.

Do you want to know if the AES dsub port can be used for more connections? - No, this is the port that connects to your equipment, DAW, digital mixer etc.. The ins and outs are on the XLR's .

Perhaps if you simplified your question to what you really mean. Is it:

how do I get 8 channels of high end AD and DA conversion into a laptop? (?)

narco

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Old 10th June 2006
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here i'll give it a try...

i'm planning on picking up a 8x192 wif firewire or an Apogee Rosetta 800 wif FireWire for my ibook g4...

i want to know if the aes/ebu port on the back of a Mytek 8x192 can be connected to another ad/da box for more analog i/o..

what i would really like to hear about is a box that will accept the dsub and turn it into 8 analogue in/outs...

4 i/o at a time would be ideal...
Old 10th June 2006
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and thanks again for the reply..
Old 10th June 2006
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and no...i won't drop this until i get an answer...

it's driving me nuts..

thanks in advance..
Old 11th June 2006
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You mean passing the digital from one unit through the dsub to the firewire out of another unit? I don't think the dsub can be used for that purpose, but I may be wrong.

What may be possible is daisy chaining more than one Mytek on a firewire bus, you will have to ask mytek if that is possible. if it is possible you would need two myteks with a firewire card in each.

Do the apogee 16 channel units do firewire? this might be more suited to your purposes, or maybe even a motu.

narco
Old 11th June 2006
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I think i know what your getting at but i know not of any product available. You really are after a AES/EBU to anolog converter. not sure if you can use the AES/EBU input simultaneously though for what you are trying to achieve.
Old 12th June 2006
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i mean the benchmark dac will do one aes/ebu to 2 analogs..

but that bugger is really pricey...

+$900 and that's just for da...
it would be +$1600 for what i want...

which is 4 channels of ad/da from the aes/ebu port...

there must be something...

and i think one can use the aes/ebu for that purpose..

going nuts...cant' think..

thanks again..
Old 13th June 2006
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nope...still not dropping this one..

anyone?

give it to me..
Old 14th June 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by r0ck1r0ck2
i'm leaning all over a mytek 8x192 wif FireWire
or an Apogee Rosetta 800 wif FireWire..
and i'm wondering how i'm gonna get more than 8 i/o
and i'm staring at that Aes/Ebu Dsub port...
how the hell can i use that bugger...
OK. I just bought the Mytek, now waiting for factory-installed upgrades. You can only expand it with the ADAT card or PT cards now, Firewire card when it's ready. You can't go straight into a laptop with *anything* but Firewire or RME cardbus (Yes?). The Rosetta 800 is ready now with a $400 FW card and cheaper, but I expect the Mytek to sound better. *But*, I have a MOTU Traveler that will let me take 2 ch SPDIF (will take 2 ch AES) and 2 ch AES = 4 total ch digital from the Mytek now, convert to firewire, then into a laptop. I might get a Mytek ADAT card now for 8 ch total of 24/96 (when combined with above) into the Traveler, then upgrade (Mytek is letting me do this, quite the service ) to the FW card when it's ready.
Bottom line, ALL digital interface formats suck except Sony's SuperMac and Hypermac, and of course they don't want that to spread much--typical Sony behavior. RME came out with lovely AD 642, forgot the Firewire ( ) Hope you feel better, I don't, Sam
Old 14th June 2006
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Since our products are being discussed here I thought I would chime in . Currently for the 8x192 the connectivity options are:

AES - Built in
Pro Tools HD - optional card available now
ADAT - optional card available now
TDIF - optional card available now
Firewire - In progress, release TBA
Sonic Solutions - optional card available now
DSD - In progress, release TBA

The 8x192 has two slots built into the back of the unit to allow for expansion. It can easily be used as is with a Lynx or RME AES card into any computer with a PCI slot, or plugged into the digital input of a Digidesign interface if you already have one.

Nathan mentioned earlier about the Lynx AES16 card having 16 i/o, so you could use two of the 8x192 converters with it, or you could use those eight extra i/o for digital inserts into your workstation as well. I personally use an AES16 in my setup and it works beautifully. If you ahve any other questions for me pleae feel free to ask. Thanks.
Old 14th June 2006
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got a digi 192 digital interface and am using it for Cranesong Avocet (monitoring up to 192), Cranesong HEDD and Weiss DS1 MKII usually on stereo buss, and an older EMU sampler...saves the 192 analog output pair so i've got 8 inserts instead of 6.
Old 14th June 2006
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oh, forgot...also use AES to send out to Lavry's>Neve EQ and return via Lavry (adding soft clip)....
Old 14th June 2006
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and still i have no idea what kind of standalone box will convert aes/ebu to analog and back..

but good info all around...

so i picked up a rosetta 800 with firewire today
it was ready to go and so am i..

but of course the rosetta has an aes/ebu port on it as well..

soo it's back to the search..

thanks again for the replies..
Old 14th June 2006
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and still i have no idea what kind of standalone box will convert aes/ebu to analog and back..
Ummm, you seem to have just bought one...
Old 14th June 2006
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p.m. sent...

anyone else wanna take a crack at this..

thanks dustpan..
Old 14th June 2006
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Quote:
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so i picked up a rosetta 800 with firewire today it was ready to go and so am i...and still i have no idea what kind of standalone box will convert aes/ebu to analog and back..
Quote:
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Ummm, you seem to have just bought one...
lol
Old 14th June 2006
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You mean to tell me that the Rosetta 800 won't convert A/D-D/A????

It has analog in, analog out, and AES I/O....what's the problem?
Old 14th June 2006
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I'm pretty sure you have a basic misunderstanding of how these things work, as your questions don't really make sence. I think you are misrepresenting what the real problem is here.

I don't mean that as an insult, its just an observation, and if I'm right the perhaps approaching this would help you to sort out your issues effectively.

The best bet may be to go to a local store and talk to them about it so they can show you in person

good luck
narco
Old 14th June 2006
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that's why i'm asking...

so there's the analog in dsub
there's the analog out dsub

and then there's that aes dsub

and i'm thinking that this has the possibility for additional i/o
digital i/o

and i'm thinking this digital i/o can be converted to analog i/o by some additional ad/da box

giving the rosetta an additional 8 i/o..

i guess i don't see why this is such a far out question..

please enlighten me..
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Quote:
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that's why i'm asking...

so there's the analog in dsub
there's the analog out dsub

and then there's that aes dsub

and i'm thinking that this has the possibility for additional i/o
digital i/o

and i'm thinking this digital i/o can be converted to analog i/o by some additional ad/da box

giving the rosetta an additional 8 i/o..

i guess i don't see why this is such a far out question..

please enlighten me..
The 800 w/ firewire x-card is an 8x8 channel interface. This means you will get 8 channels of i/o with the firewire card. You cannot use the aes connectors for an additional 8 digital i/o, but you can daisy chain 800s via firewire, so to get 8 more channels, you need to buy another rosetta and a second firewire x-card. If you go to Apogee's site and choose the description of the firewire x-card, it explains this pretty well.
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thanks for that..
Old 15th June 2006
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R1R2: AES/EBU digital, like SPDIF, has 3 pins/wires (2 for SPDIF) dedicated per 2 channels, it doesn't and can't mulitiplex more than that. Firewire, MADI, Supermac, Aviom, and a couple others can cram more than 2 channels on their wires via multiplexing--do a search, not too technical. Good luck, Sam
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