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Can someone explain this?
Old 9th June 2006
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Can someone explain this?

Take 2 tracks
phase reverse 1
press play they null
insert r-vox and adjust for latency and it does not completely cancel/null in protools or samplitude.
Old 9th June 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pingu
insert r-vox
On both or one of the channels?
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Yeah, plug's itroduce delay. There's a latency for the digital processing so they are not coincident. You can compensate for the delay by moving the track earlier by however many samples or ms the plug is setting it back.

This is of course assuming you answered #2 to eide's question.

Well duh, I'm stuipd. Plust the fact that if you put a plug on only one channel the waveforms don't match.

If it's on both, maybe there's slightly different latency for each... maybe the fact that they're at different phases means they end up being processed very very slightly differently? No idea there.
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Compression plug ins cause quite a lot phase shift..IMHO

Thats a pity
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Ive already compensated for the latency.


ie= 64 samples.


When bypassed the 2 files null but when i take it out of bypass they do not null.
They nearly null, its a phasey sound like Jules said.


All settings at 0.


1 track has the plugin
and the other does not.
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So how's the MUSIC that you're working on coming along?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pingu

1 track has the plugin
and the other does not.



even with settings at 0, a plug-in is probably going to be doing something to the sound. This is especially true of plug-ins that do the "vintage" thing -tube and tape emulation. I think most of the R plugs fall into that category. The T-Racks stuff actually has a within-the-plug bypass so you can zero the controls without leaving the tube emulation sound.
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So how's the MUSIC that you're working on coming along?


Im glad you dont worry about these details.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by joeq


even with settings at 0, a plug-in is probably going to be doing something to the sound. This is especially true of plug-ins that do the "vintage" thing -tube and tape emulation.

Yeah, this is why. The r-comp "colors" the sound a bit. That's why it won't null, even if it isn't compressing anything. It's like plugging an 1176 into a vox track on a console and expecting it to null. It won't.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pingu
insert r-vox
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eide
On both or one of the channels?
Quote:
Originally Posted by pingu
1 track has the plugin
and the other does not.
Then the really short and stupid answer to why they not null is because they're not the same anymore.
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