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AEA vs Cloud Ribbon Microphones
Old 19th September 2011
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AEA vs Cloud

Anyone do a direct comparison of an AEA R44, or other AEA ribbon, and a Cloud JRS-34?
Old 19th September 2011
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You can hear most of the AEA line including the R44, as well as the Cloud active and passive ribbons in our Clipalator. They were both recorded in the same session one after the other (session 5). Most major ribbons are in there, done on the same or a very similar time frame session.

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Old 19th September 2011
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thanks. clearly a great service... I'll check it out... what pre amp was used?
Old 19th September 2011
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Just checked em out on the clipilator. I'm hearing a bit more air, as in upper high frequencies, and less bottom end, showing up as less popping, on the Cloud. Very similar though... maybe a hair more midrange clarity on the AEA R44.

That KU4 sure does sound nice...
Old 19th September 2011
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The same exact path every time:

Mogami mic cable to a TRUE Systems P-Solo preamp to SSL Alpha Link conversion, exported out of Nuendo at -6dB peaking level.

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Old 19th September 2011
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You didn't ask but...there is an original 44 from RCA in there as well.

Under the Cloud JRS34 passive folder, you will see another session you can open up. That one was done alongside the RCA original.

There's your context...

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Old 19th September 2011
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Thanks, War. had to adjust levels significantly but damn, they're close... RCA a bit smoother...
Old 19th September 2011
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We reference peak while exporting, so yes if he strums / hits or sings a bit louder in a clip, it is going to take a hit on average volume.

Happy to help, we try very hard to bring more info before you pop off cash.

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We reference peak while exporting, so yes if he strums / hits or sings a bit louder in a clip, it is going to take a hit on average volume.

Happy to help, we try very hard to bring more info before you pop off cash.

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figured... level matching is a challenge...

FYI, I had to raise the Cloud in comp w/the AEA; had to raise the RCA a bunch to match the Cloud... nothing beyond my normal efforts in this context...
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just compared the other session of the Cloud with the AEA and they are much closer, as the performances were more similar, especially in the beginning of the vocal track, which is the one I was focussing on primarily. The AC and drum tracks still show up the same differences that I was hearing before though.
Old 19th September 2011
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Yes, that is why we clearly mark each mic session "-5" for example, as well as provide the AKG 414 B-ULS control mic (again, session labeled) so that you can tie together the info in an even more useful way. Performance differences are human so it's the best way we could deliver a way to reference what was going on generally that day.

Always a good idea to check out that control mic, which is at the top of the mic section folder.

We go to great lengths to bring context in this way. Everything is set up the same and marked every time, the mics are sighted in with laser pointers on them to get the distance and angles right. The drums are Arbiter maple with single lug tuning system (so to tune them takes turning one lug per head, rather than up to 10) and we also check them with the Tama Tension Watch. The Yamaha acoustic guitar belongs to the studio and is always strung with the same strings and played with the same pick. The electric guitar rig is a digitally controlled but fully analog solid state Marshall, using our own preset for recall, into the studio's own 4x12 cab. The vocal is what it is, but it's pretty repeatable you gotta admit. It made sense to start with an intimate breathy phrase, and to go into the more rock style getting loud and backing off, before coming back in for proximity effect at the end. He also records and mixes locally in that studio so, he knows why the takes have to be reasonably accurate for this info.

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cool.

...if god had meant us to enjoy perfect shootouts, he would have made everything else identical too...

enjoying exploring the clipilator...
Old 19th September 2011
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Thanks, and yeah I agree! It's all about CONTEXT though which is why my #1 priority with the Clipalator is keeping source material identical where possible (most hardware, we use the same converter channels and cables even) and repeatable or as repeatable as we can get it. Otherwise, it's just not very real info when you cannot hear it next to things you understand.

Still, we provide video on variable items such as compressors and equalizers, since they all do such different things and it's hard to know how far something COULD have been pushed, to know more of its full potential rather than a static audio clip.

Not that it shouldn't be glaringly obvious but worth a mention, the Clipalator is there because of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of our investment so that you don't have to spend YOUR money and time. I hope this translates into us being a great place to support with purchases, rather than just trying to be another listing on the web.

There is an enormous effort on our part so that you can click that mouse.

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Old 20th September 2011
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clearly...
Old 12th November 2011
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Anyone do a direct comparison of an AEA R44, or other AEA ribbon, and a Cloud JRS-34?
I have both mics here (R44CE and JRS-34-P).

IMO both are truly awesome mics with different strengths.

R44 has that huge, smooth "voice of God" quality on vocals, and handles transients beautifully on acoustic guitars.

I use the Cloud when I want more clarity in the mids/highs, and a really nice 3D quality that I've never heard with any other mic. Sounds incredible on double bass and electric guitar.

I guess I'm spoiled - I'd be disappointed if I didn't have both mics to choose from!

Cheers,

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Old 12th November 2011
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very cool... thanks!
Old 13th November 2011
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I love my aea r44. I record acoustic and vocals mono. It sounds like a Elvis sun era record. Or every classic huge sounding record made before 1960 No eq no nothing guitar and vocals stand about two feet back crank a tube pre. But that's what I'm going for. It's not for everyone.
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If anyone is interested in buying an active JRS, hit me up. It's incredible sounding but a little overkill for my home studio.
Old 17th October 2017
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Does anyone else have any thoughts or comparisons they can share? I'm on the fence between quite a few ribbon mics, with the JRS-34 Active in the lead, and an R84 in there as well. There's not much out there in terms of resources for the JRS-34 but I'm wondering if it's worth the money to be a "does it all" ribbon mic.

I was looking at Stager mics too but there's even less out there on those.
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The Stager stuff looks legit, too, check it out.
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Old 18th October 2017
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Does anyone else have any thoughts or comparisons they can share? I'm on the fence between quite a few ribbon mics, with the JRS-34 Active in the lead, and an R84 in there as well. There's not much out there in terms of resources for the JRS-34 but I'm wondering if it's worth the money to be a "does it all" ribbon mic..
The Cloud 44-A is another option. A bit more flexible than the JRS-34 because of the voice/music switch.

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Old 19th October 2017
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I have Lots of Ribbons mainly new ones but old ones too. The AEA 44 is my favourite. The stereo kits AEA do are great also. I love the Nuvo N8 and the R92 bundle.
I'd like a pair of Stagers though too as they look so cool and the sound samples are really impressive. Otherwise Coles 4038 are the safest sounding modern bet but very heavy.
The S.E. Voodoo's are really good bang for the budget and their Neve (?!?!) model sounds great.

The "Recording Hacks" ribbon shootout is very useful.

If you are in the U.K. Stewart at Xaudia is your Man. Amazing work.

I liked the idea of the Cloud's but everywhere I went it seemed like apart from the lifters they were being discontinued.
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I have Lots of Ribbons mainly new ones but old ones too. The AEA 44 is my favourite. The stereo kits AEA do are great also. I love the Nuvo N8 and the R92 bundle.
I'd like a pair of Stagers though too as they look so cool and the sound samples are really impressive. Otherwise Coles 4038 are the safest sounding modern bet but very heavy.
The S.E. Voodoo's are really good bang for the budget and their Neve (?!?!) model sounds great.

The "Recording Hacks" ribbon shootout is very useful.

If you are in the U.K. Stewart at Xaudia is your Man. Amazing work.

I liked the idea of the Cloud's but everywhere I went it seemed like apart from the lifters they were being discontinued.

I have a Cloud JRS-34 Active on the way, but I regret that I may have paid a bit high for it. It's apparently brand new, though I guess it was made quite some time ago.

I got it because I was thinking it could give me a 44 type of sound while having the added convenience of the active circuitry. I paid $1299 US for the JRS-34, and the Cloud 44A goes for $1899. (Though I missed out on a stereo pair of them on Reverb for $1499. The seller didn't sell to Canada, where I am, so someone else snagged it fast).

Having said that, I really was debating between quite a few.

The AEA R84, Coles 4038, and Royer 121.

I'm mostly going to be using it for micing guitar cabs, vocals, and if it happens to sound decent on acoustic guitar, than that too. I really am going for a "3D, like you're there" sound with the guitars more than anything.
Old 19th October 2017
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I'm sure the Cloud will sound great! They kind of have that mid range punch of the Coles. I missed a pair cheap too before they disappeared and now it seems like the used/reverb price has doubled in the last year on the ones that are left.
It's harder in the U.K. as we don't have so much choice at a good price which is why I've snapped up b-stock bundle bargains on the AEA stuff. All their long ribbon stuff sounds great to me and the 44 has that something extra.

The S.E. Voodoo is a great compact guitar microphone but the "Recording Hacks" shootout should give you a good idea of what you can get at good prices locally....
The New ($1k) Ribbon Shootout | recording hacks

There is no real rhyme or reason to ribbons as some super cheap ones sound amazing and some really expensive ones sound average. That's why modded ones are a good bet. Like Xaudia Reslo's are amazing on drums and their reworked -rebranded lollipops are huge sounding.

I once lost a fortune on a "serviced" RCA 77DX which was one of the crappiest mics I've ever heard. Bad mid range and nothing else. I've yet to hear a good 77 in the flesh. On the other hand I've never heard a bad Coles 4038 and I have old STC ones.

Good Luck, I'd also check some cheaper big AEA's though for less of the mid-range.

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I have a Cloud JRS-34 Active on the way, but I regret that I may have paid a bit high for it. It's apparently brand new, though I guess it was made quite some time ago.

I got it because I was thinking it could give me a 44 type of sound while having the added convenience of the active circuitry. I paid $1299 US for the JRS-34, and the Cloud 44A goes for $1899. (Though I missed out on a stereo pair of them on Reverb for $1499. The seller didn't sell to Canada, where I am, so someone else snagged it fast).

Having said that, I really was debating between quite a few.

The AEA R84, Coles 4038, and Royer 121.

I'm mostly going to be using it for micing guitar cabs, vocals, and if it happens to sound decent on acoustic guitar, than that too. I really am going for a "3D, like you're there" sound with the guitars more than anything.
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I'm sure the Cloud will sound great! They kind of have that mid range punch of the Coles. I missed a pair cheap too before they disappeared and now it seems like the used/reverb price has doubled in the last year on the ones that are left.
It's harder in the U.K. as we don't have so much choice at a good price which is why I've snapped up b-stock bundle bargains on the AEA stuff. All their long ribbon stuff sounds great to me and the 44 has that something extra.

The S.E. Voodoo is a great compact guitar microphone but the "Recording Hacks" shootout should give you a good idea of what you can get at good prices locally....
The New ($1k) Ribbon Shootout | recording hacks

There is no real rhyme or reason to ribbons as some super cheap ones sound amazing and some really expensive ones sound average. That's why modded ones are a good bet. Like Xaudia Reslo's are amazing on drums and their reworked -rebranded lollipops are huge sounding.

I once lost a fortune on a "serviced" RCA 77DX which was one of the crappiest mics I've ever heard. Bad mid range and nothing else. I've yet to hear a good 77 in the flesh. On the other hand I've never heard a bad Coles 4038 and I have old STC ones.

Good Luck, I'd also check some cheaper big AEA's though for less of the mid-range.

Thanks!

I actually just got my hands on a stereo pair of Cloud 44A's instead of the JRS34. Good deal at about $2200. We'll see how they are when they get here!

I definitely want to checkout the Coles and the AEA mics sometime too.
Old 20th October 2017
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Thanks!

I actually just got my hands on a stereo pair of Cloud 44A's instead of the JRS34. Good deal at about $2200. We'll see how they are when they get here!

I definitely want to checkout the Coles and the AEA mics sometime too.
I am very jealous indeed. I suspect they have a bit more poke. Enjoy!
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