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1178 on Overheads - Tips/Settings Dynamics Processors (HW)
Old 10th September 2011
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1178 on Overheads - Tips/Settings

Have an 1178 available on this session and wondering some tips on how to set it on overheads. general attack, release settings etc? using glyn johns + kick and snare mics.
Old 10th September 2011
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It is impossible for anyone to say without hearing the track in it's context. Preferably with the input of producer and/or band.

Just twist the knobs and listen. If you like it more with it than in bypass, just go wit it.
Old 10th September 2011
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if you have only 4 mics on the kit i would use the 1178 as a drum buss compressor to glue the mic's together rather than just on oh's. use slow attack fast release. the ratio depends on how dynamic your track is. pump the input to taste!!
Old 10th September 2011
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1178 on Overheads - Tips/Settings

Like peeweedrummer, use it as a buss-comp/parallel comp in your situation. Don't make the attack too fast and the release too slow.
Old 10th September 2011
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"don't make the attack too fast"

it's not like the attack on an 1176 or an 1178 ever gets slow.......

do we want "slightly less than 1 millisecond" or "a lot less than 1 millisecond"

my advice-

not all overhead tracks need compression

some of them just need 2 or 3 db reduction to make the snare less peaky.

sometimes it'll be sweet to go crazy and overcompress.

sometimes it'll be better to use it on a drum bus instead. sometimes i'll smash the bus, and sneak a little bit of uncompressed kick back in as needed.
Old 10th September 2011
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I also am goin to use an 1178 In this capacity. I'd like to use it to keep the peaks in control, especially from snare while tracking. Then for the mix I'll use it on a drum bus for parallel. Advice on settings for either approach appreciated here.
Old 10th September 2011
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Sometimes with overly peaky cymbals it can be nice with fast attack, just to shave the tops of a very small amount, in order to help hold the entire kit together.
Old 12th September 2011
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Compressing overheads while tracking?

Go easy.

Slowest attack, fastest release, 4:1.

You only want to see the meters *twitch*, and only occasionally... like on the crash coming into and out of the chorus.

Think 'tone and texture' rather than 'squeeze'. Plenty of time for squeeze at mix.


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Old 12th September 2011
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The 1178's I've used have never been very good at this. They have been so wildly out of match and the seem to drift as the session would progress. So I guess I say that as a caution. Hopefully yours will be in better service but maybe just watch for it. Its happened to me more then once with different 1178's.
Old 12th September 2011
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The 1178 is one of my favorite compressors for drums in general. For overheads I usually start with the attack at about noon or 1 o'clock, release as fast as it will go and 4:1 ratio. I'll adjust for 2-3dB gain reduction at most.

Later, at mixdown I'll usually strap it across the drum/bass bus. At that point I'll spend ages just listening to the way different attack and release times drag/push the rhythm section. Anything goes at this point for me!
Old 12th September 2011
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First - GJ aren't really overheads. By squashing them you are squashing 80% of the drum sound. So, definitely go easy during tracking.

I wouldn't compress at all during tracking.

Second - slowest attack/fastest release is a standard setting on 1176ish compressors. So I'd set that, dial in 1 or 3 db of GR at 4:1.
Old 12th September 2011
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1178 on Overheads - Tips/Settings

Squashing OH tracking a minimal mic'd set up just sucks the cymbals up in the mix. As was said. Go lightly
Old 12th September 2011
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Put it, or better yet, another limiter, on the room mics.
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