Title basically says it all. It's a 5 piece set with 3 crash, a ride and hi-hat, pretty basic set up. Also there is a double kick pedal but it's not used much at high speeds. I'm looking at some shure pg set its 6 piece ($400) and has 3 toms, a bass drum, and 2 overheads and I was thinkin of gettin a second probably nicer kick pedal to do beater and the back, and then using a sm57 on the snare. I just wanna see what other combo's that are about that price range that you think would be "better" Also I'm recording in a drum room so I'm not worried about the room or anything! Thanks!
This is probably over your budget but an easy way to get a good rock sound would be to buy an audix kit with d2 x2 (toms), d4 (f.tom), d6 (kick) and an i5 (snare bottom). Then buy a pair of either rode nt-5 or oktava mk012 for overheads, sm57 (snare top) and perhaps something like a rode nt1-a for a room mic depending on ur budget. All this gear can usually be found used on ebay really easily.
I like to record drums on 2-3 mics, but it of course depends on the material, as I can't imagine recording heavy metal on 2 mics...
anyway OH - oktava's mk012 - cheap and brilliant
and then audix (can't remember now) i6? for kick
and immortal sm57 - snare
actually if your budget is really tight - then sm57 could do a lot
what i really like is mk-12 as OH and then miking kick from about 1 m distance (you need to find spot yourself),
Really need to know what your total budget is. All of us want to help, but don't really know how to help just yet. For me, a good safe kick mic to go with is a Beta52. To me, it's the most shapeable kick mic with the ability to sound warm and fluffy as well as 'clicky' for your metal genres. For snare, I prefer the Beta57 on top and an i5 on bottom. For toms, Oh and room mics, the CAD M179's aren't bad for any of them. You can buy 2 3-packs from Zen pro and have a pair of oh's, a pair of room mics and your rack toms with maybe another cheaper kick mic on the floor tom unless you want another M179. Or you can put a 3rd M179 on floor and mic your room with a mono 179 instead of pairs. I prefer the stereo pair so I can pan hard left and right since they are literally picking of the most information of all the drum mics(yes, even more than the OH's in my opinion), then I use either a D112 on floor tom or my PL33, which is EV's newest kick mic offering, on the floor tom. As usual, your mileage may vary, but this works for me....
Kick- Electro Voice e602 $150
Snare- sm57 $89
Tom- Electro Voice 468 $110 (much better than sm57!)
Flr- Electro Voice e602 $150 (great too if someone has a 2 kick drum setup, then you can mic both rack toms with one 468, and throw the other 468 on the floor tom)
OHs- Little Blondies $220 for the pair
Grand total: $829, and you really wont regret it. You could drop that to about $600 or less if you buy used.
The 468's sound great on bass cabinets with 10" cones, and the e602 sounds great with 15" cones and horns.
Blondies sound great on acoustic guitars, as room mics and overheads.
Personally I'd spend most of the money on a pair of above average overheads, then add a kick drum mic (you'll go far with the standard D112 or Beta 52)
You can definitely make great sounding recordings this way. Then, when you can afford it you can slowly start adding more close mics. Mics aren't the place to cheap out - they're probably the easiest type of gear to outgrow. Quality over quantity every time.
For the money, you can't go wrong with an Audio Technica ATM25 on the kick, Sennheiser E604's on the toms, SM57 on snare and a SM7 on hats. Maybe a matched pair of Rode Nt5's for the overs and you're good to go.
This is a very effective kit, keeping it to 8 mics including a room mic, and capturing the full fury of whatever your drummer can unleash. You can spend a lot more money and not necessarily gain much if any more in sound when it comes to mix time. I am a recordist and a drummer, I've been through a lot of mics and these mics essentially reflect my common reach when capturing the kit. All mics ship with their respective packaging and mounts. You can add 8 of my ZenPro Series 1 Mogami cables for a great price too.
E/V ND868: Kick
A very malleable sound, it doesn't deliver its own sound as much as other mics yet can be hammered into what you need every time
Audix i5: Snare
Full bodied with a crisp attack, it blows an SM57 out of the water, all the while sounding like the whole drum and not just the batter head
CAD M179: Toms (3)
An incredible tom mic for rack and floor, the side address design keeps them out of the way of cymbals and drummers who don't aim well
Audio Technica ATM450: Overheads (2)
Full kit sound and excellent cymbal detail are delivered here, they bring energy to your recordings that cannot be matched in this price range
ShinyBox 46MX: Room
Big ribbon sound that brings size and depth when used in front of the kit, capture the thunder of toms, kick and room resonance and blend to taste
*Ribbon mic can be removed from bundle by selecting option at top of page.
Just wanted to post this... and this thread had the most tags for a search. sorry if its a slight bit off topic.
Not sure if anyone has ever tried using a sm52 or any kick drum mic for a floor tom.. but in case someone is, i would recommend not..
I just got done mixing a drums on a song, for our setup we used sm57's on everything but the floor and kick. in which we used 52's. Obviously we knew the kick would be okay, but we thought that the 52 would accent some good low end on the floor tom.. but when gating and eqing the floor tom, i ran into a bunch of problems with the frequency that the 52, or any clone, picks up. the ride cymbal is very hard to gate out of a floor tom mix, and the frequency picked up from the 52 by the ride cymbal is almost impossible to cover up or mask out of this 52 mic.
If we had used a 57, we would have been able to post our high freq's on the tom and not gotten such a muddy ride cymbal in our mix.
once again sorry if thats off topic, just incase some searches sm52 and floor tom, i wanted them to find this before they make the same mistake