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When to use phasing, flanging, and chorus. Spatial Processor Plugins
Old 28th June 2011
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When to use phasing, flanging, and chorus.

Still learning about producing. I have a problem deciding to use a phaser, a flanger, or a chorus... Or even to use anything at all..
For example: i will have a mix going with a HH or cymbal that is mono. Instinctivley i don't think any element should be just mono in a mix (that would just sound strange). So I have been for the past couple mixes been putting a phaser on HH cause there is a preset from soundtoys called overheads(which sounds very nice to me).. But maybe I should have just left it mono.. IDK.
Old 28th June 2011
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Still learning about producing......

.....going with a HH or cymbal that is mono. .......don't think any element should be just mono in a mix ........

You said it, still learning, but you make a great assumption that really doesn't have any foundation. I ussually have a lot of mono tracks that make up a very stereo sounding mix. I use as little stereo FX as possible otherwise everything gets smeered. Of course this all depends on style, you didn't say what kind of music you are making.
Old 28th June 2011
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Yep.. It's sometimes hard to judge between the positive aspects of time domain FX and all the consequences that using them brings.
You can make an element sound thicker using chorus, but discover that it gets pushed further back in a mix.
And our decision whether to apply an effect can be just as much based upon the amount of coffee we've drunk as personal taste.
As far as using this soundtoys preset goes, why not use it for a while if you like what it does?
Sounds like it's maybe wiser for you to try stuff out and then suffer the regret next morning than to deliberate during the mix.
Old 28th June 2011
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You said it, still learning, but you make a great assumption that really doesn't have any foundation. I ussually have a lot of mono tracks that make up a very stereo sounding mix.
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As far as using this soundtoys preset goes, why not use it for a while if you like what it does?
I think this sums it up.

1. Mono is not bad. Remember that mixing is all about references. If you want the kick to sound fat, maybe you need to make the snare a bit thinner?
Same goes for making the mix wide. If everything is full on L/R with maximum width the whole song then people won't have anything to refer to so it will still feel like a pretty narrow mix. Start of narrow or make some elements mono to really make those wide stuff shine.

2. Sometimes you shouldn't worry about what other people think. Using a stereo phaser on a hi-hat sounds crazy to me, but that just makes me the bad engineer for not thinking outside the box. Experiment all you can, that's how you find your own voice (sound).

Good luck!
Old 28th June 2011
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Hey,
Thanks for all they feedback that really helps. I am going for techno/electronic music. But I dont like any thing to sound 'fake'. And live drums are a good sound i think. So I always use a drum room reverb and put all percussion elements besides the kick in there. Since I do everything in the box I want everything to sound as natural as possible. So I just thought having purely mono sounds would be weird... because that doesn't really happen in the real world. So basically I have been putting some kind of modulation effect on everything except kick and bass.. And even the bass I will split into two bands and apply chorus to the upper harmonics....

But IDK... I am still experimenting.. maybe I have too much modulation and that is why my mixes are lacking definition.
Old 28th June 2011
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So i guess.. I am asking (just as a reference) how many instances of modulation effect would you use in a full mix?
Old 28th June 2011
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When to use phasing, flanging, and chorus?

There are more than a few folks who would undoubtedly answer: never.

heh


As others suggest, time domain effects, particularly the very short delays that the ear hears as comb-filtering or Haas Effect effects can really muddy up a mix fast.

With regard to mono elements... no one should necessarily mimic me, but I've found that it helps my mixes to keep the stereo elements to a real minimum. I often take 'glorious' stereo piano parts and either greatly reduce the stereo spread or even make it mono to localize the piano sound to one place in the mix (it depends on the mix, of course). Ditto with drums. If you've got a power trio, it might make psychoacoustic (not to mention mix) sense to spread the drums out pretty far. The listener 'expects' to be more intimate/close to a smaller ensemble and a wider spread makes sense. But the same spread in a big ensemble with multiple instruments, horns, etc, with drums that go from full left to full right? Sometimes that's just what you want. But all too often, a part of my brain is screaming, What? Does this drummer have a 12 foot reach?
Old 28th June 2011
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I don't much use Chorus or Flanger. I will sometimes induce a little phasing with a delay plugin. Sometimes it will mellow out a recording. Sometimes it will open up the tone to help fit other instruments. Kinda of a handy quick fix, that not always works. Haha!

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Old 28th June 2011
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Well, first you have to figure out what you're specifically using the effect for.

Are you choosing to use it to create space or room in a mix or are you using it as an effect to the sound itself. These are two totally different applications.

As for using it to create space in a mix, I've used a wide, very slow chorus to make a specific instrument very wide. But when I've done this, I've always used it on one specific instrument and that's it. You start slapping it on everything soon everything is banging back and forth, side to side in your mix like one of those damn slow moving wave machines with the blue gel inside!

As for an instrument sound, this is where being a musician can come in handy. Think of where musicians use these effects and when. For example, slapping a phaser on a Rhodes sound gives you a nice 70s porn sound.

Adding chorus to modulate some delays after a guitar and add some shimmer.

Putting a flanger on a rock guitar for that phenomenal "fighter jet" sound a la the 80s!

On top of that, a lot of musicians use these effects only temporarily just to highlight a section of what they're playing. For example, here is, in my very humble opinion, still one of the best momentary flanges I've heard in rock guitar history! Listen to this Extreme song and hear the awesome 1 second flange between :08 and :09. Still gives me goosebumps...




Experiment but remember, there CAN be too much of a good thing!

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Frank
Old 29th June 2011
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You can also fool someones brain in thinking everything is very wide and stereo when you use mono reverb on some of the mono tracks and pan them just a hair next to the original track.
Old 29th June 2011
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Thanks will try some of this out. I also saw a tutorial dvd on mixing and adding effects.. This guy had a chorus as a send effect... and sent several things there.. I thought that was a bit strange.
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