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Radar!!
Old 24th April 2011
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Radar!!

Ok here's the deal, I'm a young engineer who's been using daws since I started recording (sonar and pro tools) but now I've been offered the chance to loan a radar system with a view to buying it if I like it!

I'm really excited about this and can't wait to do it, I like to almost use pro tools and a tape machine and console by insisting on good performances and as such keeping editing to a minimum.

Is there anything radar will offer that pro tools doesn't? Does it have it's own sound? Is there any drawbacks to it?

Pete
Old 24th April 2011
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You must have a console to use radar....to that in a given.

Radar is a great unit, particularly if you want the recording experience of analog in the digital world.

That said, I have learned to run a session on PT so that it isn't an impediment to speed, so I am a little baffled when someone touts that as a reason to use Radar. At this point, its six of one and half dozen of another. Use what you are comfortable with.
Old 24th April 2011
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sound + reliability
Old 24th April 2011
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You must have a console to use radar....
noooo
Old 24th April 2011
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Is there anything radar will offer that pro tools doesn't?
sound quality

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Is there any drawbacks to it?
it's only a multitrack, not a full blown DAW
Old 24th April 2011
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noooo

I can't figure this out. How?

Lanois has a nice setup with external preamps into the radar, but it goes in a console eventually.
Old 24th April 2011
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Even if you end up back in Pro Tools, just the RADAR converters are considered to be pretty much the best converters out there, so you'll get something for your money either way.
Old 24th April 2011
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noooo

And you are monitoring how???
Old 24th April 2011
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Even if you end up back in Pro Tools, just the RADAR converters are considered to be pretty much the best converters out there, so you'll get something for your money either way.
Radar does sound great. But you can buy those converters as a stand alone if you want.

Radar is a great piece. When I used to run a console and MX2424 I was convinces that a PTHD session would be clumsy and prone to crashes. But I also know that after a long time with PTHD there is no latency, a crash every three or four months, and the ability work every bit as quickly.

Uf the choice was any kind of DAW subject to latency, Radar wins in a walk. If its Radar Vs PTHD in my book its a toss depending on your individual systems and working preferences.

Just another opinion....
Old 24th April 2011
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there is nothing RADAR's do that pro tools doesnt except for real time vary speed like a tape machine.
other than that it is just a 24 track Random Access Digital Audio Recorder.
RADAR.

the RADAR forces you to work in a different manner than a DAW, which can be good or bad depending on how you approach production.

the RADAR will sound great and is as solid as any recording format in the world.
if you like tape machines, you will like the RADAR.

editing is WAY faster in a DAW.

i use both for their strengths.
Old 24th April 2011
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noooo
ummmmmm,
actually......................
YES.

please explain to me how you would go about recording with just a RADAR and no console????
Old 24th April 2011
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Digital out from the radar into your DAW. Monitor stereo out from your DAW.
Old 24th April 2011
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Digital out from the radar into your DAW. Monitor stereo out from your DAW.

Wouldn't that introduce a ton of latency? Especially when tracking? How would you set up cuemixes? Just curious....
Old 24th April 2011
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Digital out from the radar into your DAW. Monitor stereo out from your DAW.
Old 24th April 2011
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ummmmmm,
actually......................
YES.

please explain to me how you would go about recording with just a RADAR and no console????

out via ADAT

http://www.izcorp.com/accessories-digitalio.php#adat

in to my PC

http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_hdsp_9652.php

...DAW

works great. Sure RADAR ADA is available now, but you can buy a used RADAR much cheaper like I did.
I do have a console but it only gets used like 25% of the time and only when I use my Otari
Old 2nd May 2011
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Digital out from the radar into your DAW. Monitor stereo out from your DAW.
well, yes, but at that point you arent recording to the RADAR, you are just using it as converters.

you cannot record to the RADAR hard drive without a console for monitoring.

also, unless you have a DAW that does low latency monitoring somehow, you will have to deal with that also................
Old 2nd May 2011
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Well I guess you could do it one of two ways. Use the Radar as a converter and record to your DAW, or record to Radar's hard drive and just monitor the outputs through your DAW. Don't know why you would, but you could.

-R
Old 2nd May 2011
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Ok, but...

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out via ADAT

iZ Technology Corporation | Accessories: Digital I/O

in to my PC

RME: Hammerfall DSP 9652

...DAW

works great. Sure RADAR ADA is available now, but you can buy a used RADAR much cheaper like I did.
I do have a console but it only gets used like 25% of the time and only when I use my Otari
Yes, you can work that way, but that's not really working on Radar per se. The op was asking about the experience of actually working on Radar as a standalone system not as a passthrough. The remote is one of Radar's great strengths, as you really don't have to stare at a screen, hold a mouse, search thru menus, etc.
Old 3rd May 2011
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The way you describe your work flow, you might really love the RADAR. I use mine just like I use the tape deck, and I'm happy as a clam.
Old 3rd May 2011
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Yes, you can work that way, but that's not really working on Radar per se.
true, but many people use RADAR this way. This is one reason why IZ now manufactures ADA units.

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The op was asking about the experience of actually working on Radar as a standalone system not as a passthrough.
yes, right... but I was replying to someones post that said RADAR only works with a console...which is false


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The remote is one of Radar's great strengths, as you really don't have to stare at a screen, hold a mouse, search thru menus, etc.
yeah... agreed
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