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Which do you prefer... colored or transparent
Old 3rd June 2002
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Which do you prefer... colored or transparent

I find myself liking mics and preamps with lots of color but wanting compressors that are pretty transparant in what they do. I can't imagine not having my Neve and Telefunken pres in the rack, but if I had to have one set of compressors they would be RNC's or my Aphex 651 (the solid state) Expressors rather then an LA-2a and 160VU. What do you like using?
Old 3rd June 2002
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jon
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Comps: 1176, LA2A, LA3A, 160VU, CL1B, SSL channel comps, Distressors.
Old 3rd June 2002
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Hey Jay!!

A little off topic, but congrats on the new BBS and Forum!! okk

And Jon, long time no speak, but you too!! heh spin rollz
Old 3rd June 2002
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UA 1176
Distressors
Tube Tech Lca2a
ADR vocal stressor
DBX vu


I want:

EAR
Chandler EMI copy
Better Tube Tech
...Them all ashley !!!!
Old 3rd June 2002
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look at all the pretty colors.
Old 3rd June 2002
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I like to 'color' everything.
I have vari-ing degrees of 'color' so it's more a matter of what to mix and match to get the 'color' I'm looking for.
I use Telefunken U73b's, PYE compressors, ADR/Helios f760's, WSW dynamikbegrenzer's, distressor's, Decca compressors, or if I need to really wack it without leaving too much 'color' I have an Alan Smart C1.
Old 3rd June 2002
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More color:
ADL-1000
dBx 160VU
Urei 1176
Innovonics 201
Quad Eight QE
Summit TLA-100
Empirical Labs EL7

Transparent:
TC Finalizer 96k
TC M6000 Brickwall Limiter

Both:
Empirical Labs EL8 Distressor (gets the most use)
Old 4th June 2002
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Clear- Alesis 3630 compressor (better than Distressor)
Color- Alesis 3630 compressor "

Clear- Behringer mixer mic pre (better than Neve)
Color- Behringer mixer mic pre "

No question, these are the BEST!
Good thing you have me to straighten this all out now-any other questions?

Seriously, cool site!

Chris
Old 4th June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by chessparov
Good thing you have me to straighten this all out now-any other questions?

Chris
phew ....

piss yell
Old 4th June 2002
  #10
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That's how I spell relief!

Although Jay's already expressed his thoughts to me on the Meek compressors,
is anyone else using them, and how do you like them?
I've got the VC6Q and VC3Q BTW.

Chris
Old 5th June 2002
  #11
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I wasn't looking to list compressors. But...

Transparent
Aphex 651 (2)
RNC (soon to be 2 of my own)
Summit DCL-200 (kind of)

Colored
Orban 414A
1176
Demeter VTCL-2a
dbx 160VU's (2)
Joe Meek
Old 5th June 2002
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The RNC's are pretty transparant but they're also quite capable of squeezing some interesting colors out of them when the mood strikes. I've got 3 and love them on all kinds of stuff, 2 bus included.

As far as weather I like "colored" gear as opposed to transparant stuff... I find myself gravitating towards stuff with a color... not allways but alot.

spin
Old 5th June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by chessparov
That's how I spell relief!

Although Jay's already expressed his thoughts to me on the Meek compressors,
is anyone else using them, and how do you like them?
I've got the VC6Q and VC3Q BTW.

Chris

I've got an SC2.2v4 and love the thing. It seems people either hate their guts or love the shit out of them. I find it doesn't work on alot of stuff but when it does it can be very cool!
Old 5th June 2002
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I'm in cheapskate bottom feeder land, so transparent-ish is more like it for me. RNC, Lexicon LXP-15, A&H console pres if not driven to hard are my transparent stuff. The cheapo Behringer ECM-8000 omni condensors are great if I can deal with the self noise.

Colored, it gets interesting. MXR Omni, which is a bunch of their stomp pedals in a rackmount; Roland RE-201 Space Echo ("Dub, mon!"); Smokey Amp (instant "Touch Me I'm Sick" tone, and bizarre on non guitar stuff); DBX 118 compressor/expander, used when you need annoying squash and pumping (I don't believe it has any guts in comon with the 160vu, contrary to rumor); torturing Quantegy 456; and soon to be integrated, Telefunken U373 compressors and W295a eqs. Oh, yeah, and borrowing Sansamps left and right. And Minimus monitors (thinking of upgrading to Aurotones . . .).

It's not like I spent much on the "color" stuff, either, that I could have gotten good stuff instead, and some of it is back from when I was just a guitarist and not a raving home studio rat.

Bear
Old 5th June 2002
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Thanks Tim for your response.

Being a novice, my approach is learning through (over)doing.
Maybe that's why I really like the Meek sound so much.
It says "look Ma I'm compressed" IMHO.
Much like Mr. Meek called a mic pre a "cooker", the Meek compression
seems like a "thickener" for when the digital stew tastes thin!

Chris
Old 6th June 2002
  #16
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Tim, aren't you running a digital rig? When I was doing that I found I really perferred stuff with color to it for just about everything. Now that I'm running on 2" I find that I want things a little cleaner.
Old 6th June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Kahrs
Tim, aren't you running a digital rig? When I was doing that I found I really perferred stuff with color to it for just about everything. Now that I'm running on 2" I find that I want things a little cleaner.

Yup, I'm storing to an HD24... pretty nice little machine really. I don't find it mandatory to warm things up any where near as much as when I was running Adats. The Trident certainly helps too. I would love to get back on 2" though... it's been a while.
Old 9th June 2002
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compressor

tut

hey jules if u are after an EAR u might like to check out

http://www.mercury-rec.com/66.html

the ears are quite polite ?

i got a m66 on the way will let u know how it pans out ...
Old 9th June 2002
  #19
Yes, thanks! Please keep us posted. Start a new thread with the review in the New producys section..

"only 4U high" yell
Old 11th June 2002
  #20
Color:
- Tascam 2524 (everything on that board adds color (read noise )
- Meek VC6

Clean
- Digi 001
- Korg 880

Humm...
Old 18th June 2002
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I've been on a kick of using a mic pre that is the opposite of the source. On big think guitar I love the Great River MP2. On clear voices I love the VoxBox, for pre and compression. I also use the VB EQ and comp a lot during mix, again for vocal. I've also been thinking of a very transparent console to go with my modded, beefy as hell 2".
Old 18th June 2002
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I am a colour freak....... Everthing in my rack has a particular colour. they all come together to form my pallete of colours that i use to paint my 'sonic' picture... ill stop wanking on now.. oops i am just beggining....

Coloured gear imparts so much personality that enhances perfromances and the vibe of a recording.

However there is something to realsie about the Holy GRail of coloured pieces............

Fletcher has mentioned this on his forum about Neve gear and i am going to attest to the virtues of his theory.

There is point where too much Neve is enough......I know this sound realy F*&%ed up... coming from the Neveslut himself! But to track and mix a song/record entirely thorugh a neve can lead to some sonic issues....... If you got this far really probably are wondering how many rocks of crack i have smoked???.. so here goes.

The great thing about Neve stuff is al the glorious THD from those awesome sounding St Ives and Mariniarre transformers.... they constitute a major part of the Neve sound. They make Neves sound as FAT as they do.

However, when every track goes through that signal chain when it comes to mix the tracks can sound a bit 'too fat'. This effect is then doubled when the tracks are mixed on a neve becuase they are coming back throught the line input and going throuhg the auxilairy section, through tot he main master stereo bus.. All of these sections are pwoered by 1272's or 3415 line amps/drivers. THese too have another swathe of those same fat transformers so the signal can pass through multiple stages of transformers. The effect of these transformers is immediate on the frist instance , like when the signal is passed through a mic-pre to recording medium, but subtle with each generation of transformer distortion, sufice to say that it is a cummulative effect.

So is it all doom and gloom to track/mix on Neve.. No not at all for me it was like learning to drive on a Rolls Royce!

You just have to learn how to counter the neve syndrome which i have dubbed 'Double fat'... its kinda like you can never have enough money... so u can never have enough Neve!

The best way to counter this syndrome is to do what Rupert intended to do with those great sounding EQ's! USE THEM DONT BE PUSSY's filter, Cut, shape the frequncy bands and cut out some fo the useless 'Fat' frequencies that they seem to exagerate. It can be a bit of work getting to know which and what to cut but it is so worth it sonically. THe sound is punchy and vibrant once you know how to cut the 'crap' out and let the true power of the Neves shine through, and there is nothing better tha listening to guitars, bass and drums punching away and you sitting in the chair pulling air guitar faces and punching the air in unison!

So dont be scared to get some colour in your rack or life... just be aware of how it will interact with all your other pieces of gear

PEACE
Wiggy
Old 18th June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Wiggy Neve Slut
Fletcher has mentioned this on his forum about Neve gear and i am going to attest to the virtues of his theory.

There is point where too much Neve is enough......I know this sound realy F*&%ed up... coming from the Neveslut himself! But to track and mix a song/record entirely thorugh a neve can lead to some sonic issues.......
You know, I assume, that the Great RIver NV was designed specifically with those sonic issues in mind. The idea of the NV was to have the sonic flavor of the Neve 10xx preamp without the low end buildup that can happen with lots of channels of Neve preamps and EQ's.
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