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Manilow vs Sinatra...I know, I know... just listen. Channel Strips
Old 3rd January 2011
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Manilow vs Sinatra...I know, I know... just listen.

Sinatra is obviously the songsmith, but you know something?
Manilow does a really nice job with this tune.

I still give Sinatra the edge for phrasing and delivery, but Manilow is a very, very close second IMHO.

Manilow's band absolutely smokes on this tune as well.
Much better arrangement than the Sinatra version.

Surprisingly so IMHO.

Listen for yourself:

YouTube - Frank Sinatra - You Make Me Feel So Young

YouTube - You Make Me Feel So Young

Manilow gets castrated in most groups but he really does do some things very well.
IMHO this is one of them.
It takes a lot of guts to cover a Sinatra tune and IMHO Manilow does a very good job.
Enjoy, hopefully

P.S GREAT band and an excellent recording.
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Frank had a great delivery for sure and he was a gangsta
Manilow could write the songs that made the whole world sing! haaaaaa

seriously Manilow doesn't need autotune got to give him props
he could sing and write tunes wether you like them or not
he is a pro
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Frank had a great delivery for sure and he was a gansta
Manilow could write the songs that made the whole world sing! haaaaaa

seriously Manilow doesn't need autotune got to give him props
he could sing and write tunes wether you like them or not
he is a pro
Hahahaha!!
Great!

I can hear it now "I write the songs that Autotune fixes"..hahaha

Manilow is definitely a pro. I was at his concert at the Uris Theater in NYC circa 1977 where he recorded most of the live album, and it was fantastic.
Seriously, what you see is what you get.
No pretense and and very little faking.
There is some overdubs in "Daybreak" where they punched in, but mostly it's all live.
Gotta give the guy props.
Mike DeLugg engineering and a fantastic band backing him up doesn't hurt.

Manilow is the butt of jokes but the guy really has some talent.
Here is another one with some fantastic piano work.

Check the phones and the over used reverb near the end,

This is how hit records are made:

YouTube - When October Goes by Barry Manilow
Old 3rd January 2011
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Sinatra is 5000 times better.
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Old 3rd January 2011
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Sinatra is 5000 times better.
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Overall, and considering the entire catalog, I agree.
Sinatra's phrasing, delivery and laid back style is tops.

But on that tune, Manilow smokes him IMHO.
Manilow is smart enough not to try and clone the Sinatra style.
He makes the tune his own, which is really, really hard.
IMHO he wins.
Old 3rd January 2011
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Sinatra by a mile in this comparison

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Old 3rd January 2011
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I dig Manilow, he's like Brie... high-quality cheese, and I love cheese.

That said, he did a solid job on this tune (as always), but really didn't enter the same universe as Frank on any level that I could hear. He could handily wipe the floor with my pasty ass, but he doesn't touch Frank, not even close.

Manilow's band was indeed badass, totally agree on that.


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Old 3rd January 2011
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I dig Manilow, he's like Brie... high-quality cheese, and I love cheese.
Best quote ever! I second that and hope you don't mind me quoting you on my FB-profile
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Preface: Manilow is a brilliant artist and a true musician. Sinatra is a god.

However, Frank is hardly at his best here. It's 70's as far as I can make out. He'd pretty much lost it by then. A pale shadow. The barking style that he'd started to implement to great effect in the early 60s had taken its toll on his voice by the 70s and it was all downhill sadly. The band are a bit loose too (not in a good way) which I am surprised by. Nevertheless they still have a weight about them that Manilow's crew doesn't.

So on this performance, yes Manilow sings it better (although without any depth). Yes his band is a bit tighter but are a also bit hackeyed and don't have the swagger that this relatively poor raggle-taggle Sinatra performance has. There's also a disgusting modulation at about 2mins that Frank would never have the bad taste to allow. And one is live and the other is not.

So all in all, a pointless comparison really! (but still fun lol!) Dig out ANY great Sinatra performance and it smokes this to oblivion.
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Manilow can't hold a candle to the voice. The timing and punchiness of Franks delivery is so much better. I've always had a soft spot for "mandy" but here Manlow's version lacks excitement.
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To quote my 90 year old father - "Sinatra? Thanks, but I'll take Nat King Cole."
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Manilow could write the songs that made the whole world sing! haaaaaa
I Write The Songs was written by Bruce Johnston heh
Old 3rd January 2011
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Great comments!
ROTFLMAO!!

High quality cheese!
Classic!

I do recall the ATF using Manilow music played over PA systems to try and drive the Branch Davidian's from their compound.
Hahaha!
Old 3rd January 2011
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Sinatra is obviously the songsmith, but you know something?
Manilow does a really nice job with this tune.

I still give Sinatra the edge for phrasing and delivery, but Manilow is a very, very close second IMHO.

Manilow's band absolutely smokes on this tune as well.
Much better arrangement than the Sinatra version.

Surprisingly so IMHO.

Listen for yourself:

YouTube - Frank Sinatra - You Make Me Feel So Young

YouTube - You Make Me Feel So Young

Manilow gets castrated in most groups but he really does do some things very well.
IMHO this is one of them.
It takes a lot of guts to cover a Sinatra tune and IMHO Manilow does a very good job.
Enjoy, hopefully

P.S GREAT band and an excellent recording.
Technically speaking, Manilow is the songsmith (songwriter). Sinatra is, however, one of the most revered intepreters of mid-20th century pop songs.

I'm all for giving Manilow his props -- he's a solid craftsman and his singing on this video is entirely decent, if nothing that hasn't been done better by some of the modern neo-crooners.

The Sinatra video is quite a ways from his prime. He's doing pretty good for an old guy who had already taken a fall back position behind the swinging rhythm as his voice lost flexibility with age.

I went back and listened to Sinatra's first recording of the song (I believe) on the '56 album, Songs for Swingin' Lovers. It's a whole different ball game if you compare that version with Manilow's entirely respectable live version.

BTW, while many associate the song with Sinatra, it was written ten years before that milestone Sinatra recording, in '46, by Josef Myrow, with lyrics written by Mack Gordon.


Anyhow, props to Manilow, a fine craftsman. His music is not my thing, but he has much to be proud of.
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To quote my 90 year old father - "Sinatra? Thanks, but I'll take Nat King Cole."
Happily, we can have both. Although only through the glass darkly...


Sinatra and Cole were so extraordinarily different in almost every aspect. Nat seemed to inhabit a song from the inside. His singing is almost always nearly flawless (and flawless is a term I almost never use), his sensitivity to the lyric and emotion of the song almost supernatural. Maybe, in part, it's his background as jazz instrumentalist, a solidly swinging pianist (a lot of my favorite pop singers have been accomplished pianists), but surely it's more than that... the man was amazing. Sad he was taken away so early.

(In fact, his untimely death at 45 in 1965 -- which I remember pretty well -- was one of the things that really started hitting home the connection between smoking and lung cancer. His TV show, IIRC, had been hosted by a cigarette company and he had sometimes posed for publicity shots with a cigarette in his hand.)


Sinatra, of course, particulary as his youthful vocal flexibility faded somewhat in the 60s, swaggered up to a song, kicked the tires a few times, shoved the key in the ignition and stomped on the gas. He may not have made every song his -- but he certainly acted like they all were. A thin, small, and, when he was a kid, sickly guy who grew up in a tough neighborhood, Sinatra apparently adopted the strategy of coming into a situation fast and strong, and that's the character that ultimately emerged in his singing.

Two giants.
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At least Manilow isn't mobbed up.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vernier View Post
Sinatra is 5000 times better.
.
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maybe even a higher ratio.
sinatra is the greatest singer of the 20th century.
he had a deep vibrational thing.
totally hypnotic.


i like some barry manilow songs.
i loved "mandy"


hard for me to compare these things.


be well


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Old 4th January 2011
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like a good neighbor.........barry is there......
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