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Coles 4038 OK for side on M/S acoustic guitar? Condenser Microphones
Old 30th December 2010
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Coles 4038 OK for side on M/S acoustic guitar?

I am looking to track a Dylan-esque acoustic guitar to accompany voice only, in a folk song. I have a nice Schoenberg mahogany OM and was going to track a mono LDC back from the bridge 18 to 30 inches. My available LDC is a Rode K2 with NOS Bugle Boy tube.

I have a Coles 4038 which I was thinking of setting up giving me the option of 'side' in M/S with the K2 being 'mid'. I would track through A-Pacifica or Millenia SST - will try both.

I will have also an SM7b which I was going to try instead of K2. The room is large, untreated, but sounds good, and quiet enough after hours.

I'd welcome the input of anyone who has done something similar. The K2 has omni or figure 8, so there are options..

Dave
Old 30th December 2010
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I have a Coles 4038 which I was thinking of setting up giving me the option of 'side' in M/S with the K2 being 'mid'. I would track through A-Pacifica or Millenia SST - will try both.
All I'd say is that in my experience the Coles 4038 needs careful positioning on acoustic guitars: it will give you a lot of bottom end (and possibly exaggerate any boominess in the guitar) without giving you very much upper-mid range or top end.

That's not to say it can't do that though. Putting it on the side of the guitar is a good idea from that point of view. But make sure you listen carefully with headphones and position and re-position before you hit record: it's tricky to get that clear-as-a-bell, plectrum-on-the-string conventional guitar sound with a Coles. That's what I've found, anyway. Depends on the acoustic guitar, of course.
Old 30th December 2010
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Coles 4038 OK for side on M/S acoustic guitar?

Hey,
I don't think you are going to get much boominess from the Coles if it is the side mic as the guitar will be off axis. I'd say go for it, sounds like a pretty good setup to me. I use coles for ambience a lot and they sound great.
Old 30th December 2010
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nice room, high gain about a meter in front, blumlein works well
a great EQ can really open up a 4038 nicely
Old 30th December 2010
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Listening on isolation headphones while you position the microphones can be very helpful. Then you hear what the mics hear. That takes the guessing about positioning out of the question.
Old 31st December 2010
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Just out of interest.. are there examples of M/S being used for vocals? I'm just getting into M/S now that I have a couple of decent Figure-8's. I wondered if I may as well set up M/S for vocal takes which might provided options later for mixing (ie subtle spatial effects)... Anyone do this?
Old 31st December 2010
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As much as I love the Coles ribbons I would think they (and most other ribbons) might be a bad choice as "side" mics in an M/S configuration as the positive and negative lobes in the mic's pattern aren't close enough sonically for accurate stereo decoding later. In my experience high quality pattern selectable condenser mics set for bi-directional work better as side mics.
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