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If AC/DC walked into your studio.... Condenser Microphones
Old 27th December 2010
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If AC/DC walked into your studio....

Hi troops,

Whenever someone asks for advice on which gear to use/buy it always ends up being a long winding road as the person asking allways wants a "do it all" box that is the brilliant but cheap.

So to make it simple and straight forward:

If an AC/DC sounding band walked into your studio and asked for that signiture sound, what:

1, hardware comp would you get to put on the Drum buss.
2, hardware eq would you get to put on the Drum buss

And what hardware comp and eq would you want across the mix buss (if different from the drum buss).

cheers
Baz
Old 27th December 2010
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...I would better get some beer heh
Old 27th December 2010
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Apart from the beer, you should probably look at this

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/q-hay...ack-black.html

to have some tips directly from the man who did one of their most famous record.


And this for the most recent stuff

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan0...s/itfraser.htm


Cheers
Old 27th December 2010
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Signature sound is coming from the guitars, not drums.
Across the 2 buss.......maybe a 2500

Start out with some Marshall amps, SGs etc.
I just do not get the drum thing.....sorry.
Old 27th December 2010
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I would do this.

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Originally Posted by theboogieman View Post
Hi troops,

Whenever someone asks for advice on which gear to use/buy it always ends up being a long winding road as the person asking allways wants a "do it all" box that is the brilliant but cheap.

So to make it simple and straight forward:

If an AC/DC sounding band walked into your studio and asked for that signiture sound, what:

1, hardware comp would you get to put on the Drum buss.
2, hardware eq would you get to put on the Drum buss

And what hardware comp and eq would you want across the mix buss (if different from the drum buss).

cheers
Baz
If that would happen to me I would advise the Band to have the the tracks ready under their fingers. Second I would ask what about to go for 2-4 days to a professional studio with a long time veteran in tracking and doing the mixing in my place.

I would take a IR of the OH position and of the room mics so I can replace drum sounds later because studio time is to short to tune the drums for each song (in key) separately.
Old 27th December 2010
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If an AC/DC sounding band walked into your studio and asked for that signiture sound
1 of about a 5 dozen possible answers ...

I'd track the whole band live on the floor in a large studio. I'd set the kit and bass up in Iso Rooms and put the bands Marshall's out on the floor in the Main Room .. Cranked. Everything would be close-mic'd and I'd set well placed room mics for guitars and drums. This would all be tracked through an MCI 500 Series Desk, onto an MCI JH24 tape machine at either 15 or 30ips. Depends what sounds best I suppose.

At Mixdown (assuming I was on the same desk) amongst other things, I'd insert a pair of 1176's on the drum buss and a calibrated pair of Pultec EQP-1A's on the Mix Buss. I'd print the mix onto 1/2 tape at 30ips.

Oh ... And I'd make sure that the band recording the album was called ACDC, because no band in the next 100 years will replicate what they do in the way they do it .... And my name would be Mutt Lange ...
Old 27th December 2010
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ACDC has drums?
Old 27th December 2010
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Oh well, I thought that maybe mentioning the exact sound sound I was after might of helped with the answers to the questions I asked.
And that the title sounded a little more catchy than "what hardware comp and eq for..."

Guess I failed.

But good answers on getting the whole sound.

ok, one more go,

If you wanted the classic sound of AC/DC's drums and with everything else in place what,

1, hardware comp would you get to put on the Drum buss.
2, hardware eq would you get to put on the Drum buss

And what hardware comp and eq would you want across the mix buss (if different from the drum buss).

My bad if the op confused,
Old 27th December 2010
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"I'd insert a pair of 1176's on the drum buss and a calibrated pair of Pultec EQP-1A's on the Mix Buss. I'd print the mix onto 1/2 tape at 30ips"

That sounds like a good plan.
Old 27th December 2010
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Hi troops,

Whenever someone asks for advice on which gear to use/buy it always ends up being a long winding road as the person asking allways wants a "do it all" box that is the brilliant but cheap.

So to make it simple and straight forward:

If an AC/DC sounding band walked into your studio and asked for that signiture sound, what:

1, hardware comp would you get to put on the Drum buss.
PYE COMPRESSOR

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2, hardware eq would you get to put on the Drum buss

Neve 1081 and a pair of Pultec

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And what hardware comp and eq would you want across the mix buss (if different from the drum buss).
Probably an Api 2500 or today a SHMC, no need for eq, just make sure every channel is in the red thumbsup heh

And if AC/CD walked into my studio I'd sh*t my pants probably..
Old 27th December 2010
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If AC/CD came in, I'd make sure theyre guitars were in tune
Old 27th December 2010
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Thanks markisa for that sound on sound article. Real eye opener heh
Old 27th December 2010
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O.K. - the details about the recording of B in B are quite widely documented but the basics are.

I do have various preferred microphones but will always vary my choices to suit the room and the particular instruments.

The drums mics were O/H - U87 or U67, Snr top - KM86, Snr under - Shure SM57, Toms - Shure SM7, Kick - U47, Hats AKG 414 or 451.

Gtrs - 1 x U87 & 1 x U67 on each

Bass - AKG D12 & DI

Room U87

Vocals U87

no compression on drums or gtrs

Can't remember vocal compressor

analogue 24track @ 30ips

MCI console

Tannoy monitors

and of course the most important components - AC/DC!

.....from the gs interview with Tony about bib
Old 27th December 2010
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Used to work on the console that tracked a few early albums...

Trust me put a 57 into a 1073 in front of some bitching JMP and some form of SG/Les Paul of vintage variety and i've had to pinch myself at times.... and of course some bad a££ mofo player dont help much either .

add a bit of 2264 goodness on vocals.. ride the fader

press record
Wiggy
Old 27th December 2010
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Those guys aren't gonna walk into our studio, they are a complete day ahead of us, like 23 hrs.
Old 27th December 2010
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If they walked into my studio, I'd teach them some new chords.
Old 27th December 2010
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Exactly 41,5% of AC/DC's signature sound is thx to the older Young brother. The man can't be praised enough.
Old 27th December 2010
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Those guys aren't gonna walk into our studio, they are a complete day ahead of us, like 23 hrs.
Not Angus, I'm pretty sure he's based in Holland.
Old 27th December 2010
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...I would better get some beer heh
I believe both of the Young brothers are stoned sober.
Old 27th December 2010
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It seems that Tony Platt didn't use either drum buss compression or drum Buss outboard eq...

Since those two things don't matter to making a record on par with Back In Black, I guess you don't need them!
Old 27th December 2010
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If they walked into my set up, once I'd picked myself up off the floor, I would immediately direct them to someone who actually knows what they are doing
Old 27th December 2010
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If they walked into my studio, I'd teach them some new chords.
Dont you dare.
Old 27th December 2010
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Damn, I'd have to say, "Boys, y'all ain't gonna fit in here."
Old 27th December 2010
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The Rhythm guitar was always ACDC's signature sound to my ear.
Old 28th December 2010
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Originally Posted by markisha View Post
Apart from the beer, you should probably look at this

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/q-hay...ack-black.html

to have some tips directly from the man who did one of their most famous record.


And this for the most recent stuff

Secrets Of The Mix Engineers: Mike Fraser


Cheers
Great stuff! Thanks for the links.
Old 28th December 2010
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Exactly 41,5% of AC/DC's signature sound is thx to the older Young brother. The man can't be praised enough.
You are so right, underrated guy, hollow body kick ass sound, that is there signature guitar sound.
Old 28th December 2010
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I reckon I'd throw some good mics up in a nice-sounding, big room and they'd make it sound like acca dacca!
Old 28th December 2010
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If AC/DC walked into my studio....

I'd say "Who the fµck let you into my house?!"

OP, truly, if it was them, I could use exactly what I'd have and it'd sound like an AC/DC record. It might not have the exact same eq curve or compression characteristic as Back in Black, but it would be abundantly clear how little that mattered because it would still sound exactly like them.


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Old 28th December 2010
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I'd say "Who the fµck let you into my house?!"
F'ing funny!

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OP, truly, if it was them, I could use exactly what I'd have and it'd sound like an AC/DC record. It might not have the exact same eq curve or compression characteristic as Back in Black, but it would be abundantly clear how little that mattered because it would still sound exactly like them
F'ing true.
Old 28th December 2010
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The thing is, though, when you tune up and then play their songs, they don't quite sound right somehow...

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If AC/CD came in, I'd make sure theyre guitars were in tune
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