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Hybrid Integration Question 500 Series EQ\'s
Old 20th December 2010
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Hybrid Integration Question

Hi guys,
I am trying to figure out the best way to integrate my outboard gear. I have attached an image of my rack..all 500 series..Electrodyne 501s, Electrodyne 511s, BAC 500s, Little Labs VOG...I rarely record audio in. I produce hip hop and electronic music and for the most part mix as I go along. I have tried running each of my tracks out thru the mic pre/eq/comp and record back in..but that is quite time consuming and there are the obvious recall issues. I would love some suggestions on how you guys might use this gear in a way I could patch it/forget it fashion and be able to get the sonics of the gear into my tracks.

Thanks guys,

Dave
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Old 20th December 2010
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Hi guys,
I am trying to figure out the best way to integrate my outboard gear. I have attached an image of my rack..all 500 series..Electrodyne 501s, Electrodyne 511s, BAC 500s, Little Labs VOG...I rarely record audio in. I produce hip hop and electronic music and for the most part mix as I go along. I have tried running each of my tracks out thru the mic pre/eq/comp and record back in..but that is quite time consuming and there are the obvious recall issues. I would love some suggestions on how you guys might use this gear in a way I could patch it/forget it fashion and be able to get the sonics of the gear into my tracks.

Thanks guys,

Dave
What DAW are you using? Can you do Hardware Inserts in your software like in PTHD, which is what I use? Also, if you are going to be using hardware during the mix phase then recall issues are just part of the game. Personally, I take up close pictures of all my hardware for every mix. That works well, but with some gear a millimeter difference is audible, so you just have to use your ears and accept it. - paul
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What DAW are you using? Can you do Hardware Inserts in your software like in PTHD, which is what I use? Also, if you are going to be using hardware during the mix phase then recall issues are just part of the game. Personally, I take up close pictures of all my hardware for every mix. That works well, but with some gear a millimeter difference is audible, so you just have to use your ears and accept it. - paul

Hi Paul,
I use Logic which has the I/O for doing hardware inserts. Thanks for the reply.
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Hi Paul,
I use Logic which has the I/O for doing hardware inserts. Thanks for the reply.
Ok, looks like you've got 2 options then. Either tie them up as hardware inserts or print all the tracks you want with the hardware on them. I'd probably use the hardware on the money tracks and print the results, then move the hardware over to the 2 bus. That sounds like it'd be quite a colorful 2 bus chain to experiment with, and you may love it. - paul
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Ok, looks like you've got 2 options then. Either tie them up as hardware inserts or print all the tracks you want with the hardware on them. I'd probably use the hardware on the money tracks and print the results, then move the hardware over to the 2 bus. That sounds like it'd be quite a colorful 2 bus chain to experiment with, and you may love it. - paul

Thank Paul...while I have you...there is no harm in putting the mic pre's on the 2buss correct?
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definitely hardware inserts...then you can put them anywhere in your session without repatching a thing...remember to ping! when you engage the i/o plug
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definitely hardware inserts...then you can put them anywhere in your session without repatching a thing...remember to ping! when you engage the i/o plug

What traks would you put them on...the money tracks..kik and bass? kik and snare etc?
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Personally, I take up close pictures of all my hardware for every mix.
Brilliant! I wonder why I never thought of that. I mean, it's so intuitively obvious... anyway, thanks for the great idea. Gotta love gearslutz.com!
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What traks would you put them on...the money tracks..kik and bass? kik and snare etc?
Well with them being inserts, you can try them everywhere...I like to keep it simple and use things in pairs on busses...pairs of eq's/comps on drum busses and vocal busses as that's where a lot of work is to be had...but I do lke to have a nice dedicated piece of hardware for the bass track as that tends to sit better with a piece of hardware inserted...try try try...spen a half hour experimenting with a different track...that is good use of time...have fun...
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Thank Paul...while I have you...there is no harm in putting the mic pre's on the 2buss correct?
If it sounds good it is good. Make sure to try with and without and A/B it. I know that some people do that to use the makeup gain or for taking advantage of the preamps transformer sound. Try it and see if you dig how it affects the sound. - paul
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Brilliant! I wonder why I never thought of that. I mean, it's so intuitively obvious... anyway, thanks for the great idea. Gotta love gearslutz.com!
Cool Doug, glad to help. It's not perfect but it's really helpful for recall. I take pictures of all my gear after a mix is finalized and file the mpegs away in a folder in the project. That way it's all organized by song. My only advice is to make sure you pay attention to the angle you are shooting from, because with some knobs your picture can misrepresent the true setting. Some gear like my Crane Song stuff or my Elysia Xpressor has a mark on the side of the knob, and it makes is really great for taking accurate pictures. You can shoot the side of the knob right where is lines up in between the marks. Otherwise, I have to make sure every shot is straight on at the knob without any angles, or it can skew the reading. - paul
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