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Old 23rd December 2010
  #31
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DP, I saw you withdrew the sale of your Dayner, that's nice if you can manage to clean it and keep it.
Old 24th December 2010
  #32
Started the clean up already, just cleaning pots to begin with.
I really like the way it sounds, so its worth the effort, even though it took me over an hour just to do the pan and gain pots.

DP
Old 8th March 2011
  #33
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DP - Whatever you use should be residue free and this is a place you do NOT want to make a mistake. The one with silicone does not sound right. Caig has a product that will work. Cantact either them or Paul Westbrook at D&R and order the right thing. Any weird or initermittent problems can almost always be traced back to the ribbon cables.

No specific order, just make sure the connector is seated well, and the two locking arms are in fact "locked". Good luck.

bp
Hey drBill,

I've been using a Harrison Pro 7 desk for a while now that I really like. I don't have a lot of experience with different pres except for the ones we have at the studio (Focusrite 428, Drawmer 1960, Avalon 2022, Peavey VMP-2). The only thing I can say about all these pres is that I don't like the Focusrites. I never use 'em anymore. I do practically all of my tracking with the Harrison.
Now I have opportunity to pick up a Dayner desk (32/8/2) in mint condition for about $2000 (split version - what IS the difference between split and in-line anyway?). So I wanted to ask you if you have ever in your 25+ years of experience come across a Harrison like mine. I've been reading up on all the D&R related topics here on GS so I'm pretty up to date on the general aspects of the desk. So my main question is related to the difference between the Dayner and the Pro 7. Further I've been looking into Jim Williams' audio upgrading and would like to hear your opinion on where a Dayner desk could benefit from upgrades, if any...

Cheers,

Peter
Old 8th March 2011
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The Cinemix and Octagon are probably out of your price range, but they are Analog consoles that are Digitally controlled (like an SSL recall is to some degree)
Don't be so sure about prices for those. I sold my Cinemix last spring for 5k cash and some outboard gear that netted me $3800. That's $8800 US for those of you without an abacus app handy. People talk about analog boards but very few are willing to spend more than the price of a nice mic to buy one... Even a really nice one.

Point is, it is truly a buyers' market. Unless you are talking about an 80 series Neve or similar, you can expect to name your price. Excluding an external patchbay and cabling, if you have $10k to spend, you can expect to get a beautiful desk.
Old 8th March 2011
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Hey drBill,

I've been using a Harrison Pro 7 desk for a while now that I really like. I don't have a lot of experience with different pres except for the ones we have at the studio (Focusrite 428, Drawmer 1960, Avalon 2022, Peavey VMP-2). The only thing I can say about all these pres is that I don't like the Focusrites. I never use 'em anymore. I do practically all of my tracking with the Harrison.
Now I have opportunity to pick up a Dayner desk (32/8/2) in mint condition for about $2000 (split version - what IS the difference between split and in-line anyway?). So I wanted to ask you if you have ever in your 25+ years of experience come across a Harrison like mine. I've been reading up on all the D&R related topics here on GS so I'm pretty up to date on the general aspects of the desk. So my main question is related to the difference between the Dayner and the Pro 7. Further I've been looking into Jim Williams' audio upgrading and would like to hear your opinion on where a Dayner desk could benefit from upgrades, if any...

Cheers,

Peter
Hi Peter -

I'm not familiar with the Pro 7 so I can't make a comparison with the Dayner. Sorry. Generally, Harrison's are quality consoles.thumbsup

The difference between split and inline is standard. With split, you need 48 modules to monitor 24 inputs and 24 tape returns. With an in-line design, you need only 24 modules to monitor 24 inputs and 24 tape returns. I hope that makes sense.

I'd use the Dayner before planning on modding it. You might like it just as it is.

Joe - I'm afraid you're right. I thought the person asking had a significantly LOWER budget than 8k though. I too know of a Cinemix up for sale for around 10k. Unfortunately it now belongs to a widow who could really use the money. I hope she can sell it, but I have my doubts.
Old 18th March 2013
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D&R Stylix Studio 24

Hi,

I am the proud owner of a very rare D&R Stylix Studio. I am refurbishing the console at the moment. Only 2 where ever made of this console. It is the "inline" Studio version of the Stylix. It is being expanded with new 'old stock' Stylix Studio led bars for the 8 stereo channels on the right side of the console.
It is being totally refurbished. It is currently at the tech specialist in the Netherlands. I started with refurbishing the Side-Panels. I removed the stock paint and gave them a nice "Wrapped" finish with HQ 3M wood sticker. I also gave the arm-rest a new tight leather finish. Here are some pics. The Picture of the desk is showing the desk at arrival before refurbishment and modifications. More soon...
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Old 11th May 2013
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Hey, very cool, I like what you did to the cheeks. I bought a D&R orion that I am soon installing in my new CR. It definitely will need some TLC also on the esthetics side...

Greetings,
Dirk
Old 11th May 2013
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I have a small(12 mono channel 8 stereo channel) D&R Stylyx without a meter bridge. It needed some ic's replaced which I had done for about $100.00. DrBills description of the pres and eqs are spot on. I've sold many of my outboard pres because these are so good. They are not as bright as API pres but that is often a good thing. I own a bunch of other gear to give me serious color. I use my D&R more then I use my API pres the eq's stand up fine beside my tonelux and API. This console will die along side me.
Old 30th May 2013
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The desk is technical restored, Cleaned and the additional led-bars for the meter bridge are installed.
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Old 2nd June 2013
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Its back home and sounds fantastic! Mint condition again!
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Old 2nd June 2013
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Its back home and sounds fantastic! Mint condition again!
Looks superb!

Just got my Orion going this weekend, love it!

Greetings,
Dirk
Old 3rd June 2013
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Dear all,

as a short intro to my post & questions I'm planning to get a good analog console for tracking & mixing and am currently doing a lot of research / reading to come down to a small list of "prefered" ones to look for. Given my limited budget (bellow $10k) I'm more looking at the used market, especially these days that it seems you can find great deals on used consoles that would have been way out of this price range when new years ago.
I "discovered" D&R consoles thanks to this (great) forum, and after having gone through quite a bit of older posts they sound like great units for the value. Also descriptions of their "sound" looks like it would suit me: "clean, transparent, big headroom, air, details, dimension,..." seem to be adjectives often associated with those consoles and are what I would look for in a recording/mix.

I would then have a few more precise questions about those consoles:
- I understand that the main attribute of those consoles is their clean and transparent sound; but do they still provide some "musical warmth" in some way? What I would not want is something "clean" but also "sterile", if that makes sense for a console
- Do you find/use them also good for tracking? In what "league" are the preamps? Do they differ from one model to another?
- Are there some particular models/period to avoid, and/or some to be prefered? Do some models "sound" / are better than others? I haven't found many info on how the different models compare (dayner, vision, orion...)
- In particular I have seen a few older Dayner (late 80's) for sale, what do you think about this particular model? They seem to be more available around here than other (newer?) models and can be found quite cheap; there's for instance this big Dayner advertised for 1100 euros, missing frame and that may need a little cleaning according to the seller (was in storage since the last 6months):



What do you think? Would an old model like this be great or would it be better to hold for a newer (better?) model?

Calling all D&R users


Also to extend the discussion, I have been in a kind of dilemna in this research for a console, between looking for something with a strong "character" or something with more "fidelity" and transparency... I tend to lean towards the later, thinking that a strong clean & big beautiful "fundation" would be better, on top of which I could "add" character with outboard gear if needed..
Then old Trident was the other main alternative to D&R I had identified, but it seemed also that I would need way more $$ to have a Trident console of the same "caliber" than a good D&R (80 series?).

Thanks in advance for any input / feedback / advice.
Warmth is color and or distortion. No, D&R are not color/distortion products.
Old 3rd June 2013
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And another picture. Little bit to much flittser action
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Old 6th June 2013
  #44
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Great bump for an old thread
Avantmidi the console looks great! That's exactly the kind of one I would be looking for.
Life had me postpone for some while the initial project, but hopefully I'll be back at it in a near future
Old 14th June 2013
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Thanks Anje! it's a joy to work on the desk! It sounds very good. Warm and precise!
Old 22nd September 2013
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Hello... I did some research about the d&r consoles and it seems to be a nice choice for my studio. I got offers for a dayner 28channels (seems to have no extra groups but patch bay) and a 32 avalon (no patch bay). Both seem to be in good/ok condition. Which one should I take. The dayner is much cheaper the avalon almost out of budget. Which sounds better and are there significant differents how to install it? I don't really need the patch bay and like the idea of physical ins and outs.
Old 22nd September 2013
  #47
Hi siamhatter,
I have recently purchased a D&R Dayner and have been fixing it up and am slowly starting to put it to use.
So far I really like the board. I am a bit bummed that the HF and LF shelves don´t have adjustable freq, I think the Avalon might have that.
I have only split channels and these double as group inputs. I don´t have experience with inline channels.
I like the sound of the board and the EQ. It´s quiet, clean, but still nice and analog sounding (whatever that means).
Mine came with two patchbay modules, but I removed those to make room for more channels.

Unfortunately I don´t have experience with the Avalon at all, but you could check with these guys for experiences: tonstudio katzer | Nürnberg

You can still get the manuals for both boards at the D&R site:
Service of Broadcast Mixing Consoles

Might be a good idea to compare feature sets from the manuals and see if the console has what you need. For example the EQ section, or balanced/unbalanced inputs (Dayner is unbalanced btw).

I don´t have a lot of experience on the Dayner yet, but if you have a specific question, let me know!

Cheers!
Christian
Old 22nd September 2013
  #48
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If you have the room and the $$ and can handle the transportation & comissioning/install, def go for the Avalon. It was their top of the line at that point in time. I love the mix magazine advertisement where they took an avalon to the precipice of the grand canyon, balanced it on the edge (no photoshop) and took pics of it. Truly a stunning console. The dayer is great, but in comparison, several rungs down the ladder in terms of features and performance.
Old 26th November 2013
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I just got my hands on a 59 frame Dayner (34 inline - 12 split) for less than $400.
What it really convinced me, apart from the price , was the sound of the preamps. Although it's needing a recap, some modules did sound awesome!! Clean, transparent and with this 3D thing going on!!
Thank you Dr.Bill for all the info!!
BTW, I emailed D&R and asked if the Dayner preamps were discrete. Duco answered confirming your impression.


Sam
Old 26th November 2013
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Sweet Sam! Welcome to the club.
Old 28th November 2013
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Tell us more about the octagon bill
Old 28th November 2013
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Never used one, but it's the pinnacle of D&R's studio console line. A very high end, digitally controlled analog console. Lots of innovation. I believe you can download the PDF manual from their site if you're interested.
Old 28th November 2013
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Used to have a Dayner... Great console. Compared mixes done on Dayner and then Raindirk... loved the Dayner mixes.
Old 28th November 2013
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Used to have a Dayner... Great console. Compared mixes done on Dayner and then Raindirk... loved the Dayner mixes.
I'm not thinking this has a ton to do with the consoles.
Old 13th December 2013
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by the way I got the avalon. Damn heavy. It is in good condition, pots need cleaning and on some channels the phantom power doesn't work.
Old 13th December 2013
  #56
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Cool! Congrats.

Scratchy pots are to be expected on a console of that age, and the 48v problem is probably a blown resistor. D&R Holland can point you in the right direction there... Good luck and enjoy!
Old 14th December 2013
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Cool! Congrats.

Scratchy pots are to be expected on a console of that age, and the 48v problem is probably a blown resistor. D&R Holland can point you in the right direction there... Good luck and enjoy!
thanks. I wrote to D&R and they sent a bunch of schematics but I don't really know to find the error with the 48v.
Some channels have lundahl transformers but they are not in order. I need to get familiar with the wiring etc.
Old 7th January 2014
  #58
All potis and faders are clean. Next problem is that some rounting options don't work. I think it could be the ribbon cable. Anybody an idea where to get it or can you somehow make the cable yourself?

One channel doesn't work at all. Some pots still scratch and some other minor problems.
Old 7th January 2014
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Digikey is your best friend.
I know they have ribbon cables. I think you can buy them already assembled.
Old 7th January 2014
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I love the octagon.... it makes me drool uncontrollably
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