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Widening XY overheads in a mix?? Multi-Ef­fects Plugins
Old 16th September 2010
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Widening XY overheads in a mix??

I've searched the forums and can't find quite what I'm looking for. So here goes with yet another XY thread...

In most situations I really prefer spaced drum overheads hard panned. But when the song calls for a really natural and focused drum tone, XY is great. My problem is that I'm mixing a song that should have been spaced but isn't. It's forcing me to use a bit more room mic than I want to, and it still feels more mono than I'd like.

So do any of you have any tricks for making the XY overheads sound wider?

Old 16th September 2010
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This is likely one of those things that will not make or break a mix IMO. You can try time delaying on side but that gets scary in a hurry. I would go with it.
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You can still MS process them during mix.
Old 17th September 2010
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Thanks, guys. That wasn't the answer I was hoping for...but it was what I was expecting. Oh well...I'll take what I've got and make it sound awesome anyway!

Thanks again!
Old 17th September 2010
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You can try a stereo imager, but I would just leave it. Wide ping pong stereo drums sounds are highly overrated in my opinion.
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40ms delay on one side
Old 17th September 2010
Widening XY overheads in a mix??

10ms delay on the right overhead track (assuming the overheads are drummers perspective) should get you started. Then roll off the highs a little on the right side and boost a little low mid.

This won't transform your XY overheads into spaced pair, but it should at least move you somewhere in between. If you have access to a Little Labs IBP, that might really help...I've never tried one in this specific situation but as I'm writing this I'm making a note to do that next time I encounter this problem. You can fake the time and tone differences with delay and eq, but phase differences are much more complicated. The Little Labs could actually be a savior for something like this. I know there are plugin versions of the IBP, but I can't attest to how good they are. In my experience with voodoo hardware units (Transient Designer and IBP) the software versions aren't even close.
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