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Old 14th August 2002
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Microphone picks...

Hey there. New guy posting here...

I've been considering a pair of Soundelux U195's as a foundation for my little home studio. Most of the recording for these will be on piano...with some acoustic guitar and various drums percussion, whatever springs up.

I've usually been very happy with an AKG C-24 on piano...but I ain't got that kinda budget.

I've also looked into the Royer SF-12 stereo...apparently wonderful on piano...but I don't know if it would be a "utilitarian" as I'd like.

Also looking for a little input on a good female vocal mic. The singer is in the vein of Sarah McLachlan/Tori Amos. Currently I'm using an old Sony C-37A... I like it, but it's a bit noisy and I really have to crank the piss out of the high end.

Thanks for any ideas or suggestions...and yes, I'll be "test driving" all these mics. I'm just fishing for ideas.

Thanks!

-Moze

p.s.- Just thought I'd pass along that I love the way this place is set up. I find it the easiest to use of all the "recording" message boards. The "read new posts" function is funktastic.
Old 14th August 2002
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Your instict is on the money re the Royer SF12 not being an all rounder..

(I dig mine a lot however)

I'm no expert on mic's so I will let the gang advise ya!

Thanks for the kind words about the site!



Old 15th August 2002
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Is this an upright Piano?
Old 15th August 2002
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i own a pair of U195's. i like em a lot. sound really nice on acoustic, havent tried a piano yet with them. great as drum "overheads" [i stick them to the sides more than overhead]
Old 15th August 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by e-cue
Is this an upright Piano?
Should have been more specific...the piano in question is a baby grand...

-Moze
Old 15th August 2002
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I've found the SF-12 to be a pretty good 'utility' mic... but that's just another opinion... and we all know what they say about opinions...
Old 15th August 2002
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I'd go with a pair of AKG 414 BTL-II. As I understand it (could be wrong) the capsule is very similar to the C12, and to my ears sounds very similar. I got a pair of 414EB's which are nice, but the BTL-II has this bump around 2K-3K that I really really love on Piano, Vocals, and Guitar. I think you'll get more use out of them around the board.
Old 16th August 2002
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mic picks

Your instict is on the money re the Royer SF12 not being an all rounder..

(I dig mine a lot however)

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I'm not trying to say that Jules is wrong, but I don't understand why folks consider ribbons to be less versatile than other mic types?

There are situations where I would not use my R121, but there are just as many situations where I wouldn't use a specific condenser or dynamic ( no one mic can do it all, of course). (I'm not going to try and judge whether the R121 is more versatile than the SF12, but that's not the point anyway)

But I'm coming around to believing that ribbons can be as widely used as the other more common "Swiss Army knife" type mics. I've used the R121 on vocals, guitar, drums and many other uses beyond the "traditional" sax, 'bone and other places where you're "supposed" to use a ribbon. And I really wish other folks wouldn't get so freaked out at the idea of using ribbons as vocal mics; they can sound really nice with the right voice.


steve
Old 16th August 2002
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Well...perhaps I shouldn't worry too much about the ribbon thing...

I have used the 121 on guitar, kick drum and it worked beautifully on a French Horn overdub...

I've only used the SF12 on drum overheads...but it booted ass on that for sure.

As to the 414's.... the ones I have used haven't knocked me out. I always feel like they are pinched in the mids. I could have been full of Jim Beam at the time though...

-Moze
Old 16th August 2002
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Re: mic picks

Quote:
Originally posted by hollywood_steve
I'm not trying to say that Jules is wrong, but I don't understand why folks consider ribbons to be less versatile than other mic types? steve
You have a good point, and in this case I don't see it as being less versitile, but I'd never close mic a guitar cabinet with a ribbon mic (because you'd destroy it). As a general rule, I try not to put a ribbon mic where I wouldn't put my ears. At least with the ribbon mic's I've used.
Old 16th August 2002
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Re: Re: mic picks

Quote:
Originally posted by e-cue


You have a good point, and in this case I don't see it as being less versitile, but I'd never close mic a guitar cabinet with a ribbon mic (because you'd destroy it). As a general rule, I try not to put a ribbon mic where I wouldn't put my ears.


how is this for ya E? the master gain is ALL the way up. and that royer is smack up on the grill
Old 16th August 2002
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A part of me died inside when I looked at that pic... I stand corrected. I've destroyed 2 ribbon mics (once on a guitar amp, once on a bass rig) and have been a little paranoided ever since.
Old 16th August 2002
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well i didnt say i havent tortured that mic to all hell. but it likes the abuse so i keep giving it...

i will say, i did one session like that and there was a sustained feedback on the last note. man, it sounds like your speakers are just going to rip apart. its fanfuckingtastic.

but its an R121... i wouldnt do that with any other ribbon.
Old 16th August 2002
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I think you guys suggesting a 2 mic only studio to go with ribbons are doing crack in Crackingham palace!

heh
Old 17th August 2002
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Jules, you wanna try that again? English this time

My Sank M260DX has been pretty happy in front of guitar amps some of which have been pretty loud but not on 11. I did blow it up on a bass amp which you could talk over though so go figure. If you like the C-24 you might want to look at some brighter mics like the 414TLII or maybe the Blue Blueberrys.
Old 17th August 2002
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Re: Microphone picks...

Quote:
Originally posted by Moze
. . . Currently I'm using an old Sony C-37A... I like it, but it's a bit noisy and I really have to crank the piss out of the high end.. . .
Noisy, perhaps, but cranking the piss out of the top might indicate some maintenance is necessary. I'd recommend sending it to Tracy Korby. He can clean the capsule, re-skin it if necessary, replace faulty caps, tune it up in general... .... and, I believe he offers some modifications that may lower the noise floor. IMO, the C-37A is (or can be) a great multipurpose condenser, but many of the ones I've encountered have needed medical attention to reach their full potential.

-dave
Old 17th August 2002
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Re: Re: Microphone picks...

Quote:
Originally posted by dave-G


Noisy, perhaps, but cranking the piss out of the top might indicate some maintenance is necessary. I'd recommend sending it to Tracy Korby. He can clean the capsule, re-skin it if necessary, replace faulty caps, tune it up in general... .... and, I believe he offers some modifications that may lower the noise floor. IMO, the C-37A is (or can be) a great multipurpose condenser, but many of the ones I've encountered have needed medical attention to reach their full potential.

-dave
Dave... Thanks for the tip! I'll contact Korby and see what he offers. I've heard some good things about his own mics as well.

-Moze
Old 26th August 2002
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Moze, I have a pair of C-37a's. You are right about the low output but the Great River MP-2nv does a nice job of getting the most out of this mic.

I did a little research on getting my second 37 repaired and found a guy in that seems to list 37's as part of his speciality.

Cameron Labs

I contacted him and he gave me a price of $300 to rebuild these mics. Don't know if this is a good price or not.

Lee
Old 26th August 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by 20db.com
Moze, I have a pair of C-37a's. You are right about the low output but the Great River MP-2nv does a nice job of getting the most out of this mic.

I did a little research on getting my second 37 repaired and found a guy in that seems to list 37's as part of his speciality.

Cameron Labs

I contacted him and he gave me a price of $300 to rebuild these mics. Don't know if this is a good price or not.

Lee
Thanks for the info. I'll drop him a line and see what's up. I've also talked to Bill Bradley at the Mic Shop as well. Korby has as yet never returned my message.... oh well.

-Moze
Old 29th August 2002
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Baby Grand

Love sticking a pzm inside, lid down, & squishing it, especially wit a BA6A, or a compellor, or a distressor.
Not really neutral, but great for rock.
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