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"Apprenticeship" compared to "Recording School"? Recorders, Players & Tape Machines
Old 3rd August 2010
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Originally Posted by chessparov View Post

run as fast as you can and find a real internship!

I had a kid come through trying to find a studio he could 'intern' at through these guys...he was so fed up with them...
Everything from there was a huge pain in the ass with that school.
Also, I distinctly remember having a couple of very disappointing conversations with someone out there
who knew less than nothing and had an attitude about it.
Granted this was about 7-8 years ago. Maybe they got themselves together.
Old 3rd August 2010
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Originally Posted by goldeneye13 View Post
The important thing is did you learn a lot of important and valuable stuff that will help you get working in a studio. How much time did you spend with your mentor?
i spent twice a week with my mentor.
Old 4th August 2010
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I wrote a few things about this a while back....posts got deleted....think that I gave RC too much of a stellar review. Heres the highlights....

I started the course in Feb.

Ive recorded several sessions.

Done live sound at top venues.

Worked sound during music video shoots.

Been filmed for a reality TV pilot based on the course.

Worked live sound for an in studio performance.

And multiple other things. And I still have three more lessons.

Ive spent a ton of time in the studio and working with the guys here.

Im actually typing this in the studio....learning the ropes of the intern thing tonight...feel free to check that IP....

The course is long as you put the effort into it....
Old 4th August 2010
be prepared for a hard struggle. it's not impossible, but it's not anything close to easy.

and i would search out a mentor over anything else. trouble being, there hard to find.

personally, i would NOT do a school or similar program again. so i would suggest you not do a school period and save yourself alot of money.

particularly the school i went to was teaching modern recording techniques as there text book. the book is readily available from numerous sources, and is a great read, but i had already read it over about 3/4th's the way when i got there. kinda disappointed, as i would have rather had a different source be the text, seeing as i already had that one.

if you have ANY friends in the industry, look them up and give them a shot first.

also, the "internships" and "contacts" most schools will offer are a joke. don't think about it for those reasons. the "contacts" list i got was about half dead phone numbers. they still had chicago trax studio on mine for gods sakes.
Old 5th August 2010
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You're right, it is a very interesting article. Definitely worth a read. So it's true that basically a few individuals with an axe to grind try to make it hard for recording connection to get business through smear. Sad
Old 5th August 2010
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If you're gonna do something great, it really doesn't matter how you get there.

If you're not gonna do something great, nobody's gonna care anyway.

I studied (sound college), i got a job (pro audio), i'm earning money, i can afford to live.
Then, in my spare time, my engineering is picking up: live, studio, whatever.
everything i do is to do with music, so i'm okay for now.
every job has stuff in it you don't want to do and don't like doing.
not many people have the ability to be engineers and musicians making money from it, and enjoying it.
So any way you can do it, just do it.

Mixing a rock band at the countries biggest festival this weekend, stoked!
It's not Reading or Roskilde, but it's big for me.

Digging Life right now.
Old 5th August 2010
Originally Posted by goldeneye13 View Post
You're right, it is a very interesting article. Definitely worth a read. So it's true that basically a few individuals with an axe to grind try to make it hard for recording connection to get business through smear. Sad

i didn't go to recording connection. i wasn't necessarily speaking on behalf of them. i don't have the first idea what they teach, how they teach it or if it's any good or not.

i just said i personally wouldn't do a recording program again. it did teach me something, but not reflective of the price i paid. and the teaching they gave were all readily available from common sources. they didn't teach me something i couldn't find. i feel my time would have been better spent recording friends and reading all the books i could find on the subjects, which is what ive been doing since, and learned twice what i did in a recording program.

key questions to ask is:

how long is the program?

if it's a few months, it's wasting your time.

and is it one on one or 6 or 7 people in a group?

if it's a group, your wasting your time again.

but also i had some bad experiences interning as well. maybe this isn't my gig. who knows. an opinion is just that. an opinion.

why you work there or something?
Old 6th August 2010
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Wow, I haven't checked this thread for almost 8 years.
Now that I collect Social Security all is a moot point now.

Never ended up following this path...

Glad the thread got started though!

Old 6th August 2010
dammit! i'm a victim of thread grave robbing again!
Old 9th August 2010
Gear Maniac

Like the article states, no company is perfect. Maybe there have been issues with administration. If students raise these concerns I'm certain they will be addressed, immediately. I'm sure there are no problems as far as the actual program is concerned. From what I've observed all the animosity has come from individuals who haven't even attended the program.
Old 9th August 2010
Gear Nut

personally i dont like recording connection, because their site is misleading and i called them out about it. I actually called them and asked them why they didnt compare them selves to SAE which is one of the top audio schools in the world(yes i am an sae student). But in reality, it doesnt matter what school you go to because if you choose to dick around in class then what will you learn? If you choose to pay attention and make mistakes on your own(and fix them) you will learn a lot. But what you learn in any school is a small percentage of what you will learn through experience.

But one thing that annoys me is that they put on their site like they are the only school that has very successful instructors. My protools teacher is Frank "el medico"(sorry dont remember his last name) and later in the year Vincent Di'pasquale is supposed to teach a course.
Old 10th August 2010
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From what I have been told a school is only as good as its mentors and from what I've heard recording Connections are very good. It's also true what you said sameal that mentoring is not for everyone. Some people take to it like a duck to water, others struggle. I would also like to get some good reference books and DVD's to get some more background.
Old 12th August 2010
Gear Maniac

The idea of working alongside professionals is what excites me about recording connections mentor program. Picking up their styles and little tidbits would be a fantastic learning experience.
Old 13th August 2010
Gear Nut

How long does a program at recording connection last for? I have 8 months before I go to Paris so could fit in may 6-7 months. Would that be long enough?
Old 13th August 2010
Originally Posted by Faye Clamor View Post
How long does a program at recording connection last for? I have 8 months before I go to Paris so could fit in may 6-7 months. Would that be long enough?

well, 6-7 months is decent amount of time, but do you think you'll get what you need in those 6-7 months? some don't get what they need with years of hands on.

if you think you will then do it.

i would definitely not bank on this landing any sort of job, internship or otherwise. that being said, don't quit your day job or go into debt for this.

if all of that is secure then do what you feel will benefit you.

i made the jump through another program, and did not fair well in the real world. could have been my situation, and yours could very well be different. it's not impossible, just not likely. do alot of research and pad yourself well.

but keep in mind after you go through any program, your going to have to find an internship afterward anyways, and using the reference to the recording program to get a foot in the door is next to nothing. so why not just get an internship right now? I'd bank money on a 6-7 month internship with a legit studio teaching you and getting you better contacts much more then 6-7 month recording programs from anyone.

your largest problem will be finding a studio that is actually there to teach you and see growth within you. if you can find that, lock your jaw and sink your teeth in.
Old 16th August 2010
Gear Nut

I understand that I will only learn the bare basics in 6 months but at least I can learn the basics in the 7-8 spare months I have before flying out to France. Thanks sameal.
Old 16th August 2010
Harmless Wacko

Is it me... or was Jules a mean old bastard back in the day?


Ahh the irony.

The irony.


Old 16th August 2010
Oops! Yeah my "burn out" from the needle in a haystack assistant search was extreme back then!

Over the course of 7 years of having my own studio (prior I was an in house guy - then freelancer) I employed and trained up 3 assistants, each sticking with me for 2+ years and becoming in house engineers. But I must have interviewed 50+ and given trial work periods to about 25 or more.

My studio has been shut since 2006 (running GS full time) but I am pleased to say all 3 ex trainees are doing well elsewhere..
Old 26th August 2010
Gear Nut

Question for Jules

Jules, how would you describe the current state of the recording industry in London or the UK in general? Is it as bad as it appears to be in the US? Better, worse?
Old 26th August 2010
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Great people at connections!!!!

Just remember that it is up to YOU to check out who they pair you with. Check them out completely! How much experience does the mentor have. Are they actually recording.... ie... do they have clients. Are THEY dependable... are they going to be on time for your lessons and actually going to DO the lessons and not take you on trips running around town for totally unrelated stuff.

If possible, get the names of former students your mentor has taught and call them up, email them, etc and make sure you are getting something great.

I did NOT do that with my first mentor and wasted 8 months and lots of time ( it was a 2 hour drive EACH way to his studio ) not to mention expense money... gas.. .etc. Never had one actual recording session. Got there a number of times only to find him not there or 20-30 minutes late or him coming out the door saying we had errands to run and never actually getting to a lesson, etc.... and all that because I did not do MY due diligence and check the guy out. That was MY fault!!!!

Like I said... great people... (they were good about helping me find a REAL studio and mentor) good program... just keep your head up and eyes open as to who they pair you with.

I wish you the best!!!!
Old 1st September 2010
Gear Nut

Thanks Tom, much appreciated. I will go in there with both eyes wide open. Great advice, will take it. Want to make sure this works as it is a lot of money we are talking about. Thanks again.
Old 3rd September 2010
Gear Nut

I have faith in the program, but I will definitely want to make sure that my mentor is going to have my back. Someone that will not only train me thoroughly but also do his/ her utmost to connect me with the right people in the biz.
Old 7th September 2010
Gear Maniac

You get back what you put in. If you work and study hard you may just make it. You have to be prepared to work your butt off and get your hands dirty. It's not a quick fix or a get rich scheme, you have to actually do some donkey work.
Old 7th September 2010
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Just sayin Fullsail Kicks ass at teaching you everything and if your good... boom your in. Tracking and making big bucks in the studios.
Old 7th September 2010
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"Apprenticeship" compared to "Recording School"?

Originally Posted by Therealflamingo
Just sayin Fullsail Kicks ass at teaching you everything and if your good... boom your in. Tracking and making big bucks in the studios.

I dodged that place by the skin of my teeth, fortunately.
Got my PT Expert certification to know how to run the software and be an efficient operator (teaches you nothing on engineering...just how to work/master the software and associated hardware)
Then read every book on mix technique, mic selection, and theory I could get my hands on. I went to as many sessions as I could, still get tips and advice from everyone I can.
I'm very young to be doing this for a profession, but...No formal recording school, and minimal internship, and I'm making a very comfortable salary engineering, operating, and editing, (mixing, I'm still getting the ears for) and running sound at a studio/live venue.
And now, with all the money I didn't blow on FoolSale, I have a nice new car and am taking some legal study and business management courses online.
Though, I still love to sit in and watch those who've been at it longer than I work their magic. I don't think I'll ever stop learning. I really don't want to.
Old 8th September 2010
Gear Maniac

I too have heard bad things about fullsail. I suppose it works for some and not for others, basically like any school. Are they hands on like recording connection?
Old 10th September 2010
Gear Nut

I had the option of enrolling in Fullsail, however I believed recording connection was more suited to my needs. I stand by that decision.
Old 15th September 2010
Gear Maniac

I have to ask is it actually possible for anybody to make a good living in this business anymore? People keep posting that the industry is in a dire way with major studios closing.
Old 15th September 2010
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Originally Posted by goldeneye13 View Post
I have to ask is it actually possible for anybody to make a good living in this business anymore? People keep posting that the industry is in a dire way with major studios closing.
I guess it depends on your definition of "good living". The US government dept. of labor statistics for wages of full time recording "professionals" is dismal. You'd make double being a trash collector if you had been on the job for 5-7 years. About equal in the food service biz right out of the gate.

But they are not as fun and they don't have blinking lights......heh

So, if you're looking for a "GOOD" living (ie: money) look elsewhere. Underwater welding is probably not as dangerous as being a recording engineer and pays about 10X's as much.
Old 16th September 2010
Gear Maniac

I love music, always have but at the end of the day you have to eat and pay the bills. Think I'll hold on to my pt job for the time being. To pay for necessities and the like.
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