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Omni dynamic microphones; what use?
Old 22nd October 2019
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What purpose would those puppies have in a rockband recording.... Overheads?
Recording of a tubecombo together with an SM57?
What else?

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I don't know the mics in question so I can't comment on that but in general I'll try an Omni dynamic anywhere I would use a cardioid dynamic. I have a few different models that I like on specific things - an Altec/Western Electric salt shaker has been pointing at the snare drum of my house kit for a few years now.

- They can be a great second or alternative mic on guitar amps (especially great for variety when you double parts).
- I sometimes like them on acoustic guitar.
- Drum room - try them on the floor out front of the kit.
- Heart/Crotch mic on drum kit is a great application. I'll sometimes put a 635a here and run it onto an overdrive pedal on the way to tape.
- under snare can also be a good spot provided you want some kick attack in there as well.
- They can be fantastic fo percussion and hand drums.
- They can also be nice on the back of an upright piano or inside the case.

They will pick up more bleed and room tone than a cardioid mic but the lack of proximity effect means you can place them very close to the source. On something like a guitar amp in the same room as a drum kit the source sound to bleed ratio is a non issue (for me at least).
Bleed is more of an issue when when close micing drums and with the exception of the salt shaker on snare I generally use omnis in a place where they're hearing the whole kit (front of kit, OH, room, heart/crotch etc).
Old 4 weeks ago
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Old 4 weeks ago
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I tried two Sennheiser MD 211 on grand piano and liked the results.
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Old 4 weeks ago
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I tried two Sennheiser MD 211 on grand piano and liked the results.
Can't blame you. That sounds ace. Vibes.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I tried two Sennheiser MD 211 on grand piano and liked the results.
The MD 211 *is* really one of the best dynamic omnis around.
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Thank you @ Karloff70 and @ John Willett !
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The MD 211 *is* really one of the best dynamic omnis around.
No, actually, for anyone considering buying some now, these are complete crap and not worth much......
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There's just something about a real piano, that even on my MBP speakers, I could sense immediately. Beautiful recording.
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Here's a few ideas:
- Spaced pair in a reverb chamber (just make sure there's no direct sound reaching the caps)
- as has been said, stereo "inside kit" drum mics
- get a 3rd omni - needn't be the same model - and set up a Decca tree, with the 3rd mic in the center. For drumkits / percussions/ small strings or brass ensembles.
- recorderman drums
Also: this may prove useful...
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I’ve been tracking drums with an old Radio Shack omni as a crotch mic, running into a distorted amp in another room. Blending it in doesn’t sound as weird and phasey as when using a 57 or other cardioid. The mid-fi quality of the mic helps roll off the freq extremes nicely too.
Old 4 weeks ago
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For those interested in using Omni's for more than interviewing folk on the news
the audio technica AT802 is a funny little mic that I have had success with on more than makes sense.

I don't know how common they are but mine has ben everywhere, vocals, acoustic guitar, guitar cab, mono drum mic, room mic, podcast.. all sorts.

I have included a photo of the microphone for your purveyance. I have also included a banana for scale. The microphone is on the left.
This is a big sleeper, Lanier made a version as well, it's a rebadged 802, and I think mine was $20 shipped. I've picked up several random dynamic omnis here and there.
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This is a big sleeper, Lanier made a version as well, it's a rebadged 802, and I think mine was $20 shipped. I've picked up several random dynamic omnis here and there.
Now I need a pair of 802's too!
Old 4 weeks ago
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I got a green bullet mic to play blues harp with. Was surprised since it's omni and the above comments make sense. I was worried about feedback cupping the mic but a very forgiving mic for lack of a better word and really fun!......
Old 4 weeks ago
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EV "Flat" Omnis

Since we're on the subject of omnis ...

There's nothing like the natural top-end clarity and overall accuracy of the "flat" EV omnis -- the RE55 and DO54/PL9 ... the latter two being the same except for the case color -- and all three have the same omni element. The RE55 has better bass response.
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