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Old 25th December 2010
  #871
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I understand that something is going on at the factory level. That is an inconvenience for some.

After working with these for sometime I have to say they are just awesome...I love em
Old 25th December 2010
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After reading some of the horrorish experiences you guys have with what I consider almost luxury gear.. I ask myself (and you of course...):

Who test these things???

What the hell happens in the Adam/Focal factories? Do they play some football with the speakers or what?

I can't understand how some of these speakers come with all kind of very visible/audible issues, as these are not some products manufactured in immense quantities by enslaved 10 years old kids from Asia, I hope?
I cannot blame this defects on transport only. It's kinda too often I read about such stuff, and not only on GS. Adam seems to be on top and on bottom at the same time, with some appalling quality control.

The bigger the company, the bigger the money-hunger. I wonder what will the big companies do soon, when almost all of the common people will be too poor to buy their stuff.
Amazing isn't it?
Yet if you diss those brands here in GS you will probably be attacked or at the very least questioned.

So when was the last time you heard stuff like this from JBL, Genelec, Dynaudio and so forth?

Maybe I've missed it, but I have never heard of problems like these 2 companies seem to have from any manufacturer and that includes Mackie and their current rice laden China line.


My personal opinion is that I wouldn't touch a Focal or Adam with a 20 foot pole.

I don't care how many "great" reviews they get from the trade rags and shills alike.

Reviews are like, well you get it....
Old 25th December 2010
  #873
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Actually, I'm not attacking anyone. I'm just worried of the direction that some manufacturers seem to be heading to.
You see, I had the privilege to work for a little while with both CMS 65 and A7 and found both sets of monitors to be exquisite. So I know these can be very good models, if manufactured with care.
The information out there is too scarce to allow me to form a documented opinion on this matter, but what is certain is that Adam need to do a check on their Quality Control department. I'm just not that sure about Focal, as I only heard of a handful of problematic cases, maybe it's just the way it should be, I'm not an expert.
The Adams are suffering from extreme hype and their exposure mean that an increased number of reported faulty products is normal, compared to the other brands you mentioned (JBL, Genelec, Dynaudio). But how much is "normal"?
Are these lengthy threads with people complaining "normal"? I bet the Adam PR would like us to think so.
Maybe they should just admit if there's a manufacturing problem and promise to work on it, rather than just pushing new generations on the market that are a gamble to buy.
Again, I'm not a specialist, but this whole thing is giving me a very distinct feeling of insecurity when I think about a Adam purchase - not good...
Old 25th December 2010
  #874
Another first poster,
To give a little back-ground I've been a musician for 20+ years. But I'm fairly new to computer recording.
Anyway, I Bought the Adam A7X about 3 months ago, and this is my experience with them; played them for about 4 hours and was impressed because they are so revealing. Then I decided to test for port rattle, and how I did this was load Superior Drummer 2. couldn't hear any rattle right away with their midi files, so I soloed the kick sub mic and found the port noise is their loud and clear.
It's the exact same in both speakers and The volume was very low. Then I decided to try several instruments straight from logic 9. I found it very easy to make the port noise when your on the right, two or three notes.
I believe all adam a7x's have bass rattle, although it does disappear when you add high frequency content.
So... what did I do! I still have them and love them to death, although knowing that they can rattle when something with heavy bass is soloed, really sucks.
This is kind of a strange phenomenon, but my mileage is the exact same as Big Bangs'.
I also checked for the rattle on my home stereo speakers and it wasn't their.But, to be fair my home speakers don't have as much Bass. IMHO, these have quiet a bit of bass, more than I was expecting, anyway.
I am also interested in some port flanges, I can put my hand over the port and tell that theirs plenty of Bass left for me.
I do recommend these babies, and simple cannot hear a problem until I solo something bass heavy (around 57 hz if memory serves correctly)
Old 26th December 2010
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I'm confused now. I'm interested in the A7x. Is there a port noise problem with all A7x's? Or would that be an exaggeration?
Old 26th December 2010
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I'm confused now. I'm interested in the A7x. Is there a port noise problem with all A7x's? Or would that be an exaggeration?
The guy in my local store said "yeah, we had to change a few problematic monitors when the line came out". And he also said that if there's a rattle I just need to bring the bad one back and they will give me a new one right away. So I'm not worried about the rattling...

Damn... it has never been this hard: choosing between A5X, A7X and A7. I wish there would be more info about the A5X
Old 26th December 2010
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question for those who have heard both A7X and A7 (even better if you heard A5X too): which had the best upper bass/low mids definition. I really liked that range on A3X and someone said that A3X is closer to A7 than to A7X on that range.
Old 26th December 2010
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question for those who have heard both A7X and A7 (even better if you heard A5X too): which had the best upper bass/low mids definition. I really liked that range on A3X and someone said that A3X is closer to A7 than to A7X on that range.
Are you going to replace your Behringers?
Old 26th December 2010
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The guy in my local store said "yeah, we had to change a few problematic monitors when the line came out". And he also said that if there's a rattle I just need to bring the bad one back and they will give me a new one right away. So I'm not worried about the rattling...

Damn... it has never been this hard: choosing between A5X, A7X and A7. I wish there would be more info about the A5X
Sounds like you have a good local store!
What would concern me is what if they start rattling after the warranty is expired?
Old 26th December 2010
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The first speaker I bought didnt turn on...so I took it back and had it exchanged no questions.
Old 26th December 2010
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Are you going to replace your Behringers?
I will probably use my 3030a for location work from now on. They are very very good. But I think I wanna have something that pushes upper bass/mid bass up front. NS10 are great for setting the overall tone, but I have difficulties to adjust the fundamental bass notes (same problem with 3030), which where there with A3X. Only thing I was missing with the A3X was the low end (below 60hz, but not much). So right now I feel NS10 and A5X/A7X/A7 will be a great match for my way of mixing. The more natural response of 3030a will make them great for location work.
Old 26th December 2010
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Sounds like you have a good local store!
What would concern me is what if they start rattling after the warranty is expired?
Warranty is 5 years... so I wouldn't get too worried
Old 27th December 2010
  #883
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Hey guys!

Well, I wanted to report back to say that I ended up NOT buying ADAM A7x monitors and instead decided to invest my money on guitar gear that I need for giging. I don't understand how some of you buy these monitors, known to be defective from factory. I personally can't see myself spending high cash on unreliable gear. Makes zero sense to me, but good luck to ya'll.

Take care!
Old 27th December 2010
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I bought 2 A7Xs and one of them failed a month later. The replacement monitor I was sent was dead in the box. I finally got another one a month after that.


However, these speakers are the most amazing sounding monitors ever and I would buy ADAM again even with the problems.

The focals I tried however (CMS50) sucked and one of them buzzed like crazy.
Old 27th December 2010
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Warranty is 5 years... so I wouldn't get too worried
Good thing
Old 27th December 2010
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I ordered a pair from Thomann. Those were B-stock and 399€/each. And with Adam's 5-year and Thomann's 3-year warranty I have no worries. Plus a 30-day money back guarantee... I really hope that these are as great as I have read. And really an upgrade to A7's.
Old 27th December 2010
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I ordered a pair from Thomann. Those were B-stock and 399€/each. And with Adam's 5-year and Thomann's 3-year warranty I have no worries. Plus a 30-day money back guarantee... I really hope that these are as great as I have read. And really an upgrade to A7's.
You got the A5X?
Old 27th December 2010
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You got the A5X?
a7x
Old 27th December 2010
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Well, I'm a little scared. But after hearing the A7x this week I'll be ordering them tomorrow. I haven't heard any port noise, but I haven't heard any bass solos either while listening to them. I was very happy with the clarity and really liked their sound. Hopefully my pair won't let me down.
Old 28th December 2010
  #890
I believe the a7x's are all going to have the same port noise without a design change. I cannot prove this as I live far away from a store to audition more of them.
I think this comes down to, can you live with this compromise.
My experience with playing guitar has been always to find some fault in every instrument-Nothing is perfect! Theres always a slight intonation problem,string buzz somewhere, something isn't lined up exactly right, ect.
I really appreciate Adam recognizing the problem earlier in this thread. Maybe they suffered too much of a back-lash from some people for admitting to it. I would still love the port flanges Adam!
As musicians and engineers we strive for an unattainable perfection.
IMHO, these are amazing speakers which you will rarely hear port noise in normal work. If you spend all day with sign waves you may want a different pair (which may have another deficiency).
Yes, I am bummed that there is a bass rattle. But I don't think theres better in this price range for me.
Good luck! try em and if you don't like them send them back.

P.S.
I really don't want to make this more confusing for people (this thread prevented me from buying the A7x's for months) This just won't be a real issue for most.
I love these speakers, even with my O.C.D.
I rate them 9 out of 10, your mileage may vary.
Old 28th December 2010
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Im using a woofer and havent experienced any problems. Maybe this is something others could consider for more than just providing low end.
Old 28th December 2010
  #892
A woofer is a great idea if you have the space and cash, I may try something cheaper than adam's.
What woofer are you using?
Old 29th December 2010
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Forgive my ignorance. These are my first monitor speakers. Other than a mixer (that I already have), what do I need to power and listen to my speakers?
Old 29th December 2010
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A woofer is a great idea if you have the space and cash, I may try something cheaper than adam's.
What woofer are you using?
Its a dynaudio, but im sure using a cheaper krk would work fine.
Old 29th December 2010
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Forgive my ignorance. These are my first monitor speakers. Other than a mixer (that I already have), what do I need to power and listen to my speakers?
Just a standard power lead from a wall socket into each speaker. Then you'll also need the appropriate cable from your mixer/audio interface to the speakers. Ideally, XLR-XLR or TRS-XLR.
Old 30th December 2010
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Just pulled the trigger on some a7x's, I pick them up tommorow, local shop in case of problems. Really looking forward to breaking in these baby's, loads better than my 11 year old Circle 5's -I suspect.
Old 31st December 2010
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well, ive narrowed it down to the Dynaudio BM5A MKII, Adam A7X and Mackie HR624 MKII, imma make an audition soon and get back to you guys with my thoughts, i am leaning alot with the Dynaudio now though...
Old 31st December 2010
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Used mine yesterday - nice a reasonable amount of bass - still breaking them in, one port noise moment but on a CS with too much bass as far as I'm concerned - no other issues.
Old 1st January 2011
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I remember reading somewhere other types of speakers in this pricerange sometimes have port issues too. Can anyone relate to that?
Old 1st January 2011
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a vast majority of front ported speakers seems to have minor port issues.
but depends a lot by the room, table, back walls, and "unclean" freqs/volume/compresion. IMO is not a major concern.
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