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Apogee DUET lack of MIDI question. Drum Pad Controllers
Old 15th February 2010
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Apogee DUET lack of MIDI question.

I need to get an audio interface and I'm highly considering the Duet because I'm on a mac and I here it is great. Although I will be recording from my MPC 2KXL. Will I need MIDI to record from my XL?
If not:
What else wouldn't I be able to do without MIDI?
Old 15th February 2010
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Just buy a little USB midi port for your mac, they're cheap.... Hook your MPC up to it, plug in the Duet, good to go (after a bit of midi configuration in your DAW - I'm guessing Logic with the Mac and Duet?)
Old 15th February 2010
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No you will not need midi inputs on duet to record anything audio... unless you wanna record midi...

umm I dont really get you but just get a standalone midi interface, they are very cheap... and dont worry about what you might miss out on...

If you are coming out of the MPC using balanced audio signals, you dont need an additional midi interface... but if you wanna control soft synths by bashing on the mpc then you will need a midi interface....

I hope I am confusing more...

Old 15th February 2010
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I have Duet and just bought a cheap Midi-USB cable for 10 euros and it seems to work fine.
Old 15th February 2010
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What will you be recording?

The duet is great for a 2 channel interface but it's not very extendable - you can't run it alongside another interface on the same firewire bus if you decide you need more channels at a later date.

If you want to use OTB effects you will need more ins/outs.

I owned one and it was great but I wish I'd spend a little more in the first place and gone for something with more inputs and outputs.
Old 15th February 2010
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I dont only use the mpc, i play many instruments as well. But i just wanna record some beats i make on the mpc to logic. also will i be able to use logic as a sound module with the duet and mpc
Old 15th February 2010
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Technically you could just load the MPC samples into logic and sequence there... either keep the mpc as a glorified drum pad or get, say, a korg padkontrol (mine is still kicking after about 4-5 years, great value considering) or the AKAI midi pad, I forget what it's called, but probably has a more similar action / look to what you're used to.

Another option would be to spring for something a little more multi-channel - ensembles can be had for $1200 - $1500 on eBay, or there are several other options. If you got an interface with digital I/O, you could use the MPC that way - it has digital outs, right?

Any way you cut it, though, you're going to want midi. Others have suggested the cheapo USB cords, and those are fine, actually, but you could either get midi with your interface or look at something like the M-Audio Midisport series - options from 1x1 to 4x4 I think (1 to 4 midi ports, 16 channels each, leaves a lot of room for your expansion or use with multiple synths simultaneously - depends on your needs).

PS: I get that the MPC is a staple in some types of music - that's cool, but it's arguably redundant with a computer. Keep it for the vibe or the workflow if you want... no judgements either way.

Good luck
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More on topic to what you're originally asking -- I think the Duet is really cool but it gets overrun very quickly - as in only 2 inputs / outputs and no digital, and impossible to add more firewire interfaces. As soon as you need to record more than one thing at a time, you're done. Ensemble is a much better value, really.
Old 15th February 2010
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thanks for the replies. anyways im never giving up my mp, so can i use logic as a sound module without midi or what?
Old 15th February 2010
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It depends how you define "sound module"...

To me, a sound module is this:
Sound module - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you mean you want to use logic ONLY to record finished beats from your MPC, then yes, you can accomplish this without midi.

If you mean you want to use logic's sounds, and also the MPC sounds, you're going to have a tough time doing this without MIDI.
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In my opinion trying to sync up all the fine points of external synths / samplers (including something like the MPC) has been a huge pain in the arse - I had some high-end synths here for a while and it was usually more trouble than it was worth to handle the midi and audio I/O, recall every time, all that jazz - for ME the computer is a much more competent and convenient sampler for my workflow. I think external sound modules are pretty out-moded, but some people cling to them for various reasons, and that's fine, but if you do be prepared to either work exclusively in the confines of the unit (your MPC in this case) or do some fancy MIDI footwork to get it all rolling.
Old 16th February 2010
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OK. thanks very much. you were very helpful. i was never planning on using logic sounds for my mp, it was just out of curiosity. because i already own a motif rack
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