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Old 16th November 2009
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300,000? Then they paid too much - unless it was for a year long campaig, you can get super highend sellers for 50k!!
well that's what i've heard...
the band's label is EMI

i agree that there are a lot of shitty music libraries, the ones that don't even pay their composers...

UPPM (former Koka Media) has an impressive catalog
Old 16th November 2009
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that's right - and you can either be in the party or not. THAT simple. IF an artists says no then generally they need to be in a financially secure position - that's why you rarely see Radiohead syncs. It's also why until recently the Beatles never did it. Now you hear Beatles tracks on adverts.....
You don't remember Michael Jackson swiping the Northern songs catalogue and selling songs to nike for commercial before the courts took it back and gave Sir Paul his stuff back?
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Check out SOME of them. I deal with music libraries daily as they try to sell me second rate produced junk touting it as "really cool"
There are some really good agency and library pieces out there....but just like commercial music , they are the exception rather than the rule. I'm thankful that most are junk {and I must stress most - because there are some good ones} because it is that junk that allows bespoke/licensing & partnership companies like mine to get in the action!!
There really is a LOT of junk.
Old 16th November 2009
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You don't remember Michael Jackson swiping the Northern songs catalogue and selling songs to nike for commercial before the courts took it back and gave Sir Paul his stuff back?
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no - didnt realise that! Must have been a USA thing because in the UK and Europe clearance is not granted on publisher alone... interesting !!
Old 16th November 2009
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why would it disappear ?
Do you really think the current model of broadcasters selling vastly overinflated ad space will last now that advertisers can see much better value from cutting them out the equation and using entirely different distribution models?
I give it 5 years, tops.
Old 16th November 2009
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I just sent some schedules into BMI for some stuff I just did and a BMI rep told me that the cost of TV ads have gone down considerably since the economy is in the toilet.Actually a good thing for composers who get the airings.


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Old 16th November 2009
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I don't see what's sad or depressing about having your music used in a commercial. That one looks pretty cool. Grizzly Bear are cool.
I find that depressing.


heh

Seriously, when I was a kid, selling your music to an advertiser was seen as pretty close to the ultimate sell-out, it was considered artistic as well as commercial suicide (killing the goose to get the golden egg).

But things have changed.

A generation raised on the crassest sort of commercialism and strumpetry apparently mostly sees nothing wrong with the practice -- it's seen as a sign of having made it.

That's the way the commercial culture evolves. Us old guys can shake our heads, even as we understand the matrix of economic realities that can make a band feel compelled to look to alternative revenue streams, but we're the past and ideals like not selling out and staying true to our art are seen as quaint, outdated, and unrealistic.
Old 16th November 2009
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no - didnt realise that! Must have been a USA thing because in the UK and Europe clearance is not granted on publisher alone... interesting !!
Right. There was a "revolutionary" TV advert here Stateside that used the Beatles "Revolution" and -- according to the lawyers and cigar-chompers who define what music must be in this brave, new world -- it made selling out hip.

Not to mind
that it wasn't the artists selling out their music, but rather the economic opportunists who had acquired rights to their catalog from mega-skunk A. B. Klein, who had earlier snuck the Beatles' music library right out from under those starry-eyed moppets. (Always read the fine print -- even if you're the Beatles.)
Old 16th November 2009
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Do you really think the current model of broadcasters selling vastly overinflated ad space will last now that advertisers can see much better value from cutting them out the equation and using entirely different distribution models?
I give it 5 years, tops.
i'm curious, what are these entirely different distribution models ?
Old 16th November 2009
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while i understand it is a great opportunity for the label to get money and for the band to get know, what really surprises me is how kids these days really don't see anything somewhat wrong or depressing about that.

Two Weeks by Grizzly Bear, was just used in a car commercial

YouTube - Grizzly Bear - Two Weeks (music video in HD) Veckatimest out now

i was mad when i saw the commercial ... but reading the youtube comments it seems i'm the only one to be depressed

(here's the ad) YouTube - Peugeot / Grizzly Bear

maybe i'm too old ... but people went mad when Dc Martens used Kurt Cobain's image to promote their shoes recently ... it seems like he's the only exception.

thoughts ?
Well wy take on it is that with the record sales being so low you must think about other way to raise funds. My stuff has been used for a Volvo advert last year and basically it means that I can continue making music...Without I might have consider stoping. Simple. Yes sure, in an ideal world art and commerce would not mix but if you think of it, it always been the case, think Patronage in the Renaissance etc..

PS: it doesn't change my mind regarding Grizzly Bear, one of my favorite album of the year.
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I find that depressing.


heh

Seriously, when I was a kid, selling your music to an advertiser was seen as pretty close to the ultimate sell-out, it was considered artistic as well as commercial suicide (killing the goose to get the golden egg).

But things have changed.

A generation raised on the crassest sort of commercialism and strumpetry apparently mostly sees nothing wrong with the practice -- it's seen as a sign of having made it.

That's the way the commercial culture evolves. Us old guys can shake our heads, even as we understand the matrix of economic realities that can make a band feel compelled to look to alternative revenue streams, but we're the past and ideals like not selling out and staying true to our art are seen as quaint, outdated, and unrealistic.
If I use the word "strumpetry" once in my house my kids will beat it half to death, I'll never hear the end of it.

I don't think they've even thought about it for one second, the concept of selling out hasn't been brought up with them. No one is discussing it with their artistic kids and you know why? Because they are of the generation that totally sold out, they don't want to be embarrassed for their total lack of ethics to their kids, most of them dream of their kid being the next Leroy Neiman, totally commercial art, making the big money for whatever field they're in. It's pathetic, they only think about themselves.
Time to put the words back out there and set this thing right!
I say we bring it up bigtime.

Think about it, if ever there was a time when the establishment had sold our souls, this is it, if ever there was a time when the government and big biz were totally in bed and doing things that spell out "we're out to get you" this is that time.
REVOLUTION.
IT'S TIME HAS COME.
It's actually a little past the time it should have begun but, hey, we're in the music biz and we're "fashionably late" but, it's our dang party, so too bad.
Old 16th November 2009
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I find that depressing.


heh

Seriously, when I was a kid, selling your music to an advertiser was seen as pretty close to the ultimate sell-out, it was considered artistic as well as commercial suicide (killing the goose to get the golden egg).

But things have changed.

A generation raised on the crassest sort of commercialism and strumpetry apparently mostly sees nothing wrong with the practice -- it's seen as a sign of having made it.

That's the way the commercial culture evolves. Us old guys can shake our heads, even as we understand the matrix of economic realities that can make a band feel compelled to look to alternative revenue streams, but we're the past and ideals like not selling out and staying true to our art are seen as quaint, outdated, and unrealistic.
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i'm curious, what are these entirely different distribution models ?
Good luck getting a coherent answer to that over asked and under answered question.
Old 16th November 2009
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That song seems perfect for a commercial if you ask me. They might very well be a good band, the few songs i've heard by them sounded fine, but i certainly don't hear anything earth shatteringly original or 'above commercial use' there.
Old 16th November 2009
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There is just so much BS in "indie music". Everyone on the planet needs to feed themselves. With the changes in the music distribution structure of the internet pretty much everyone in rock is, or is one non-hit record away from "indie".

If you decide to sleeve your arms with Tattoos and put a donut sized hole in your ears you have made a career decision. If you can make a catchy enough song that some hipster art school grad/ad agency creative digs your shit and wants to use your songs to hock something......more power to you!

It takes a ton of work to be part of a band, tour, sleep on floors, and live on a diet of Ramen and Pizza. Fans should be happy that bands they like get a break and can perhaps afford to pay the rent.

Besides the money that comes with an ad, it is major exposure and can make an unknown artist career. Look at Fiest etc.
Old 16th November 2009
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Ha ha, no thanks.
One non-hit record away from indie, dang straight.

"It can make an unknown artists career"
Just because it "could" doesn't mean it "should.
Sleeping on floors as part of a band seems like colossally bad planning, a lot of drama, possibly substance abuse induced, and a romantic story that ends badly usually.

Been there.
Old 16th November 2009
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If I use the word "strumpetry" once in my house my kids will beat it half to death, I'll never hear the end of it.

I don't think they've even thought about it for one second, the concept of selling out hasn't been brought up with them. No one is discussing it with their artistic kids and you know why? Because they are of the generation that totally sold out, they don't want to be embarrassed for their total lack of ethics to their kids, most of them dream of their kid being the next Leroy Neiman, totally commercial art, making the big money for whatever field they're in. It's pathetic, they only think about themselves.
Time to put the words back out there and set this thing right!
I say we bring it up bigtime.

Think about it, if ever there was a time when the establishment had sold our souls, this is it, if ever there was a time when the government and big biz were totally in bed and doing things that spell out "we're out to get you" this is that time.
REVOLUTION.
IT'S TIME HAS COME.
It's actually a little past the time it should have begun but, hey, we're in the music biz and we're "fashionably late" but, it's our dang party, so too bad.
I kind of think of strumpet as almost a kid-friendly word. I mean, at the least, they'll have to go look it up and that puts them one step closer to personal and cultural literacy.

With regards to which generation look like the biggest sell-outs, I'd have to say that my own hippie-to-punk era coming of age generation probably don't -- when considered as a whole -- look too squeaky clean there, with so many folks embracing or at least paying lip service, however briefly, to anti-materialistic and DIY sensibilities -- and then, seemingly turning around in their forties to become BMW-driving, fine-wine-buying yuppies. (There's a word you don't hear too much, anymore.)

But I would suggest to you that the adoption of truly counter-cultural values was far more limited than the highly stylized and superficial representations in pop culture would suggest. Even at the height of the hippie era, when cops had long hair and every used car salesman wore a flowered shirt and ridiculous bell bottom pans, that fundamental value changes were adopted by the few rather than the many, who largely just adopted the style and maybe some of the hedonistic impulses, while ignoring the tough stuff like creative or spiritual disciplines, or even a truly independent or DIY spirit.

And I would go on to suggest that, for the relative few who really did go through profound changes in that era of putative social awakening, that those changes were often long-lived in ways both complex and sometimes as suble as they were fundamental.


PS... Leroy Neiman... man, I do not think I've thought about him since the early 70s... about the time Playboy stopped being something you'd actually read for the articles. (It certainly wasn't for the airbrushed balloon-bossomed faux stewardesses and med-student centerfolds. At least not for me. Not to say I didn't have a soft spot [pun unintended] for sexy pix -- I just didn't find that stuff sexy in the slightest. And the more clinical and close-up it got as the 70s ground down [you should pardon the choice of expression], the less sexy the increasingly graphic pics got.)
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I kind of think of strumpet as almost a kid-friendly word. I mean, at the least, they'll have to go look it up and that puts them one step closer to personal and cultural literacy.
It's my own fault, their mom is a hardcore brit, so, I tease her by asking if she wants "strumpets" for breakfast, she gives me the eyeball for that. The kids laff. They will wear "strumpetry" all the way out.
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With regards to which generation look like the biggest sell-outs, I'd have to say that my own hippie-to-punk era coming of age generation probably don't -- when considered as a whole -- look too squeaky clean there, with so many folks embracing or at least paying lip service, however briefly, to anti-materialistic and DIY sensibilities -- and then, seemingly turning around in their forties to become BMW-driving, fine-wine-buying yuppies. (There's a word you don't hear too much, anymore.)
True.
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But I would suggest to you that the adoption of truly counter-cultural values was far more limited than the highly stylized and superficial representations in pop culture would suggest. Even at the height of the hippie era, when cops had long hair and every used car salesman wore a flowered shirt and ridiculous bell bottom pans, that fundamental value changes were adopted by the few rather than the many, who largely just adopted the style and maybe some of the hedonistic impulses, while ignoring the tough stuff like creative or spiritual disciplines, or even a truly independent or DIY spirit.
True true.
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And I would go on to suggest that, for the relative few who really did go through profound changes in that era of putative social awakening, that those changes were often long-lived in ways both complex and sometimes as suble as they were fundamental.


PS... Leroy Neiman... man, I do not think I've thought about him since the early 70s... about the time Playboy stopped being something you'd actually read for the articles. (It certainly wasn't for the airbrushed balloon-bossomed faux stewardesses and med-student centerfolds. At least not for me. Not to say I didn't have a soft spot [pun unintended] for sexy pix -- I just didn't find that stuff sexy in the slightest. And the more clinical and close-up it got as the 70s ground down [you should pardon the choice of expression], the less sexy the increasingly graphic pics got.)
I dated myself with Leroy.
Old 16th November 2009
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Originally Posted by FadersmakmeHappy View Post
There is just so much BS in "indie music". Everyone on the planet needs to feed themselves. With the changes in the music distribution structure of the internet pretty much everyone in rock is, or is one non-hit record away from "indie".

If you decide to sleeve your arms with Tattoos and put a donut sized hole in your ears you have made a career decision. If you can make a catchy enough song that some hipster art school grad/ad agency creative digs your shit and wants to use your songs to hock something......more power to you!

It takes a ton of work to be part of a band, tour, sleep on floors, and live on a diet of Ramen and Pizza. Fans should be happy that bands they like get a break and can perhaps afford to pay the rent.

Besides the money that comes with an ad, it is major exposure and can make an unknown artist career. Look at Fiest etc.
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Ha ha, no thanks.
One non-hit record away from indie, dang straight.

"It can make an unknown artists career"
Just because it "could" doesn't mean it "should.
Sleeping on floors as part of a band seems like colossally bad planning, a lot of drama, possibly substance abuse induced, and a romantic story that ends badly usually.

Been there.
As someone who can (fondly) remember a time before the era when punk was a costume you could go to the mall and buy, I feel the cultural angst, here.

That said, and my comments about old fashioned views of selling out notwithstanding, I would say I have a lot of sympathy for anyone trying to make a living as any kind of musician. On those occasions when one of my pals in the 3DW or here in cyberville actually gets a placement somewhere, I'm happy for him or her.

It ain't the Summer of Love anymore.

Old 16th November 2009
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It's my own fault, their mom is a hardcore brit, so, I tease her by asking if she wants "strumpets" for breakfast, she gives me the eyeball for that. The kids laff. They will wear "strumpetry" all the way out.
True.
True true.

I dated myself with Leroy.
I dated myself by remembering a time when Playboy was a good read.

I have to admit some trepidation at using the phrase dated myself in a sentence about what started out as and became again pretty much a girlie mag. heh


[Note to youngsters: a girlie mag in the parlance of my long lost youth was a magazine filled with pix of mostly naked women -- it was not a niche magazine designed with the interests of lipstick lesbians in mind. ]
Old 16th November 2009
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Interesting thread but some of the responses are really confusing me.

I don't understand why a band needs it's fan's permission to have their music in tv/film/radio. The band makes their own decisions for their career. If they wanted your opinion they would have asked. But hey, they have bills to pay. In fact, almost everyone here has taken a gig they might not want to have taken but needed the money. So let bands do what they want to do.


Maybe they want the exposure? Maybe they want more people at their shows? Maybe they don't want to go back to their dead end jobs when they come off tour? The whole idea of anyone "selling out" is silly. I thought selling out was when you do something you don't want to do for money or fame? What if they wanted the son in a commercial? Big deal.

With so many bands/artists these days trying to rise above the cesspool and be noticed, this is a great way to do it.
Old 16th November 2009
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This thread is hilarious...

On one hand we have:

A guy that makes his living making music for commercials so, in his own words, the bands he respects don't have to. Uh huh. Yeah. Right. How very altruistic of you.

A guy talking about the bygone era before bands sold music to advertising and men actually READ Playboy magazine.

And another that says "Sleeping on floors as part of a band seems like colossally bad planning, a lot of drama, possibly substance abuse induced, and a romantic story that ends badly usually."

Man... How old are you guys?!

And then on the other we have:

A producer/musician in one of the biggest indie-orientated, and now major-affiliated, bands in the world that I'm sure started out sleeping on floors, experiencing lots of drama, possibly found himself in the vicinity of drugs being taken at one time or another and hopefully, maybe still, at times, finds himself living what many would deem as a romantic dream come true.

And another, that judging by his posts on this forum, is very successfully involved at a very high level of not only studio ownership and music production but also uniquely as part of the recording, publishing and management side of the music industry as well.

So if I was a young kid just starting out in music and hoped to make a living doing what I love who would I be listening to? Hmmm... Tough choice.

Get real people. Times have changed. And yet, studio bills have to paid and babies have to be fed.

So unless you're going to give your studio time away for free and expect musicians to let there families go hungry just accept we all have to make a living, OK? That's the reality.

Peace.

R.
Old 16th November 2009
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A guy talking about the bygone era before bands sold music to advertising and men actually READ Playboy magazine.
I admit... it sounds pretty far-fetched to me, too.

I guess you hadda be there. Glad I was.

Old 16th November 2009
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Interesting thread but some of the responses are really confusing me.

I don't understand why a band needs it's fan's permission to have their music in tv/film/radio. The band makes their own decisions for their career. If they wanted your opinion they would have asked. But hey, they have bills to pay. In fact, almost everyone here has taken a gig they might not want to have taken but needed the money. So let bands do what they want to do.


Maybe they want the exposure? Maybe they want more people at their shows? Maybe they don't want to go back to their dead end jobs when they come off tour? The whole idea of anyone "selling out" is silly. I thought selling out was when you do something you don't want to do for money or fame? What if they wanted the son in a commercial? Big deal.

With so many bands/artists these days trying to rise above the cesspool and be noticed, this is a great way to do it.
The point is, none of those things you're proposing have ended with the results you are positing happened. The opposite has.
It's not a great way to do anything, it's selling out, get with the program bub.
I don't think bands should take whatever crumbs "people who think what they do should be free" will hand them. It's not begging. They shouldn't be reduced to ONLY getting schwag money, they shouldn't share on nickel of ticket price, they shouldn't have to sell 100% of publishing, there's a lot of things going on that rip bands off, bands get fed full of bullshit that the unions aren't important as backup, that they don't need a lawyer, that its ok to sell out early as if your career won't last long and voila, a plethora of worst case scenarios befalls each act.
There is no excuse for doing any of that other than you have no soul.
Old 16th November 2009
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This thread is hilarious...
On one hand we have:
A guy that makes his living making music for commercials so, in his own words, the bands he respects don't have to. Uh huh. Yeah. Right. How very altruistic of you.
That's his perogative.
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A guy talking about the bygone era before bands sold music to advertising and men actually READ Playboy magazine.
You're missing the point. THIS era will pass too. You're putting too much importance on keeping it in place while the industry suffers for your "few stellar examples of professionalism".
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And another that says "Sleeping on floors as part of a band seems like colossally bad planning, a lot of drama, possibly substance abuse induced, and a romantic story that ends badly usually."
It is.
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Man... How old are you guys?!
We're dinosaurs.
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And then on the other we have:
A producer/musician in one of the biggest indie-orientated, and now major-affiliated, bands in the world that I'm sure started out sleeping on floors, experiencing lots of drama, possibly found himself in the vicinity of drugs being taken at one time or another and hopefully, maybe still, at times, finds himself living what many would deem as a romantic dream come true.

And another, that judging by his posts on this forum, is very successfully involved at a very high level of not only studio ownership and music production but also uniquely as part of the recording, publishing and management side of the music industry as well.

So if I was a young kid just starting out in music and hoped to make a living doing what I love who would I be listening to? Hmmm... Tough choice.
And since when was this thread about that?
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Get real people. Times have changed. And yet, studio bills have to paid and babies have to be fed.
Yeah, we should all give up because there's no way things will ever change, right, is that it? Things are CONSTANTLY changing.
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So unless you're going to give your studio time away for free and expect musicians to let there families go hungry just accept we all have to make a living, OK? That's the reality.
Peace.
R.
Isn't that what you are proposing for everyone who doesn't agree with your give up, roll over, strategy?
No, just for the few you cite.
It's not even about that, but, maybe you missed that. It's about restoring a balance that is sustainable and I GUARANTEE YOU when that happens it will look a WHOLE LOT like what it looked like when it was in balance before and not like it does today.

Here's the difference in what the impetus is:

In your examples all the strategy is all about you, and how easy you can make it on your self. How can you keep being payed without thinking, standing for anything let alone your business community, for how ever long it lasts and you don't care if thats as little as two weeks as long as you get your money.

In our examples of our strategy it's about the whole business as a community.

which one do you think has a chance at LONG TERM success.
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This thread is hilarious...

On one hand we have:

A guy that makes his living making music for commercials so, in his own words, the bands he respects don't have to. Uh huh. Yeah. Right. How very altruistic of you.
you're talking about me, but what you're saying is wrong. it seems nobody read me properly

here's the first sentence of this thread

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while i understand it is a great opportunity for the label to get money and for the band to get know
but no, people in this thread keep thinking i said the opposite
Old 16th November 2009
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that's right - and you can either be in the party or not. THAT simple. IF an artists says no then generally they need to be in a financially secure position - that's why you rarely see Radiohead syncs. It's also why until recently the Beatles never did it. Now you hear Beatles tracks on adverts.....
I don't hear Beatles in ads (unless it's promoting Beatles)...

I do hear remakes of Beatle songs...
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Besides the money that comes with an ad, it is major exposure and can make an unknown artist career. Look at Fiest etc.
True!

Whatever happened to her?
Old 16th November 2009
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you're talking about me, but what you're saying is wrong. it seems nobody read me properly

here's the first sentence of this thread


but no, people in this thread keep thinking i said the opposite
And I don't think this post helped, DAMMIT, I WANT to understand!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by FadersmakmeHappy

Besides the money that comes with an ad, it is major exposure and can make an unknown artist career. Look at Fiest etc.
True!

Whatever happened to her?
heh
Old 16th November 2009
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you're talking about me, but what you're saying is wrong. it seems nobody read me properly
here's the first sentence of this thread
but no, people in this thread keep thinking i said the opposite
No Hank, I totally got it.

You know that it's not all a bad thing but you still don't accept it. I totally understand.

And Memphis it seems to me the whole idea of this thread has become not just about...

Ah heck, you're right. Let's just all wait for the return of your New York Utopia of people helping each other out.

Oh wait, that still happens today.

You mean despite the fact some people make money from selling their music to advertisers? Hey sometimes because of that! Like maybe because of an artists new found popularity they can take some friends of there's on the road. And then their friends can sell CD's too. And then their friends have the money to record again.

I'm afraid you just don't get it.

And how can you not see the point of me mentioning the success of the two other forum members? They are successful. That's my point.

Everyone is always trying find the bad guy. First it was the record labels and terrible royalties. Then it was the promoters and back-handers with ticketing agencies. Now it's the advertisers.

It's the business. Find your way through (not you personally but everyone trying to make a living) and do what you can do to do it.

You think I don't know it's going to change?

I've been making my living through music for 20 years and I still, on a day by day basis, wonder what I need to do to pay my next bill. OK maybe not my NEXT bill but you know what I mean.

It's about being dynamic and staying on top of the flow.

And yes, I slept on a few floors on my way...

R.
Old 16th November 2009
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True!

Whatever happened to her?
I think she's went on to sell 1,000,000 albums and do a song on Sesame Street.

Oh you were being ironic?

R.
Old 16th November 2009
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I didn't think of this before and this really is pure coincidence but the truth...

Just this evening I was at a friends record label (he's the owner) that said they could now afford to start recording another friends second album because of a sync that came through.

Record sales didn't recoup the total spend on the first album. And I don't mean the bands royalties didn't recoup, I mean total albums sales.

R.
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