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Digidesign Pro Tools Next Move Audio Interfaces
Old 20th August 2010
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Has Avid announced a ship date for all this new whiz-bang stuff?
Old 20th August 2010
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Just saw this posted on another forum

Old 21st August 2010
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Prediction/ wishful thinking OR statement? If the latter, source please.
Well the original 'leaked' info from a certain SW guy was stuff coming now good for HD then more releases over the next 6 months.
I have heard from other sources that there is a HD solution coming for Laptops soon.
So reading between the lines tells me we will see a HD Native (of some sort) in the next 6 months.heh
Call it a prediction if you like - of course I could be wrong.
It does seem odd that Avid would release a Native version of PT as they are such a Hardware orientated Co.

What I want is a Hybrid approach to create more than the limiting 192 voices at 48k.


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Old 14th September 2010
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curious

Really curious why all the bantering magically stopped 24 days ago.
Old 14th September 2010
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I would assume

Because digi's next move was shown, and the guessing got to stop.

Or M night Shamalamadingdong was paid to do the advertising, and all he could come out with was "The Crappening"

I love my HD2 rig, and that really doesn't entice me to drop anything at all, other than buy more hd cards for cheaper!
Old 14th September 2010
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http://www.avid.com/US/products/fami...ntcmp=AV-HP-S2

new mbox rigs out today. meh
Old 14th September 2010
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Meh is right. It seems like the 003 with rounded corners and a few crumb features. No bypass, as far as I can see, on the four "killer" mic pres.

I'm wondering if the rumored mid-level Pro Tools interface is about to be announced.
Old 14th September 2010
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Meh is right. It seems like the 003 with rounded corners and a few crumb features. No bypass, as far as I can see, on the four "killer" mic pres.

I'm wondering if the rumored mid-level Pro Tools interface is about to be announced.
I'm not sure it will be an interface so much as a connectivity solution...

The HD-Omni may in fact be that interface - what hasn't yet been announced will be a method for tying it into a system without using core/TDM cards.
Old 14th September 2010
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revamped 192s, rebranded mboxes....dude...I´m falling asleep here !?
one of the strangest and most boring new product launches ever
Wake me up if there´s any real news !
Old 15th September 2010
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I love how people are throwing around "same s*^t different box" blah blah blah... have any of you whingers actually read about these new Mboxes? or perhaps even tried one?

The great thing about all this is that it will sort out the people who have had real issues with Pro Tools that are beginning to be addressed with this new hardware (and new software) and the people who just love stirring S*^%.
Old 15th September 2010
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More...

I feel like a junkie to Avid's cranks dealer.
Old 15th September 2010
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Meh is right. It seems like the 003 with rounded corners and a few crumb features. No bypass, as far as I can see, on the four "killer" mic pres.

I'm wondering if the rumored mid-level Pro Tools interface is about to be announced.
And you can't get good mic pres out of USB/firewire devices like that, since the voltage requirements aren't up to specification. Even with the power cord plugged in, it has maximum 42 volts pure power to work with more than half of the power being dirty from passing power AND data down the same thin line with the power source coming from the mainboard which isn't even class c electronics. That is why your noise floor is always through the roof on these devices. The unit is barely able to pass a signal by stepping up the voltage. Outboard does it more justice, but then there is the added issue of latency which will never be conquered because of constant software syncing in the OS as a part of the plug n play specification. It's not even worth working with. :P

I for one have gone on to Live as a DAW and a PCI interface. Live 8 is up there with the big boys now, with cutting and splicing of audio being its strong point with the new fade features.
Ableton - Workflow enhancements

Also the ability to work with Max/MSP as plugins is another reason I switched over from 'tools. The MIDI has always been great, feeling much like logic. Track freeze is wonderful, and it's been pretty stable even multi platform. I've been able to run 30+ track sessions on a quad core with relative ease, and it just keeps truckin.
Old 15th September 2010
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mbox pro advertising

so check this out:

"A premium analog signal path and high-performance 24-bit, 192kHz* converters deliver pristine sound."

" And of course, Mbox Pro is designed for ultra-tight integration with the included Pro Tools LE® software"

"* Up to 96 kHz sample rates supported with Pro Tools LE software."

192khz converters that only can do 96hz. They could just make 96hz converters, say they're 192, and you'd never know the difference!

Gotta love marketing.
Old 15th September 2010
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which reminds me

Has anyone ever been able to multitrack with this thing? as in, play along with another of the tracks, without it sounding like **** without any sort of latency? Something the digi001 could even do?
Old 15th September 2010
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so check this out:

"A premium analog signal path and high-performance 24-bit, 192kHz* converters deliver pristine sound."

" And of course, Mbox Pro is designed for ultra-tight integration with the included Pro Tools LE® software"

"* Up to 96 kHz sample rates supported with Pro Tools LE software."

192khz converters that only can do 96hz. They could just make 96hz converters, say they're 192, and you'd never know the difference!

Gotta love marketing.
No... as has been pointed out six times elsewhere, you should be able to get 192khz with other audio applications that do support it. It's only Pro Tools LE that doesn't go past 96khz. Cubase, Logic Pro, DP, whatever you like otherwise... the Mbox will work with those (presumably at 192khz, although I'm not sure how well) - with a Core Audio or ASIO driver.
Old 15th September 2010
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No... as has been pointed out six times elsewhere, you should be able to get 192khz with other audio applications that do support it. It's only Pro Tools LE that doesn't go past 96khz. Cubase, Logic Pro, DP, whatever you like otherwise... the Mbox will work with those (presumably at 192khz, although I'm not sure how well) - with a Core Audio or ASIO driver.
The Digidesign ASIO Driver is a single-client, multichannel sound driver that allows third-party audio programs that support the ASIO Driver standard to record and play back through the following Digidesign hardware:
  • Pro Tools|HD audio interfaces
  • Digi 002
  • Digi 002 Rack
  • Mbox 2
  • Mbox
Full-duplex playback of 24- and 16-bit audio are supported at sample rates up to 48 kHz, depending on your Digidesign hardware and ASIO client application.

Screw your "6 times elsewhere", the ASIO driver doesn't even give you 96khz.
Old 15th September 2010
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Pro Tools and digi

Hi, I am a small home studio engineer. I am currently running my digi 003 on LE with XP. I had a mac but at the time I couldn't afford all of the plugins and things like that, and I needed to get a move on with some projects. One thing that I do like about this post is that something needs to happen. I do think that you should have to purchase something of atleast 2 grand to be able to get LE. I know soooo many ppl that have LE now and they are really damaging sound because they dont really know what it is. People get it bcuz they are on a bandwagon just for the name. I cant hate on Digi for trying to make money but it really is a joke to have it for so cheap. Music is for the dedicated, not for the socialists.

On another note, my stuff is sounding pretty good on the pc because of what I am running. ( Neumann u-87 to a Avalon 737, and into my Digi 003 coming through a pair of Genelec 8040's.) But can someone please tell me what I am really missing in the mac world. I only want to improve my sound and how much does it really change coming thru a G5 or higher system because I am really thinking about going back to Mac.

Any suggestions???
Old 15th September 2010
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And you can't get good mic pres out of USB/firewire devices like that, since the voltage requirements aren't up to specification. Even with the power cord plugged in, it has maximum 42 volts pure power to work with more than half of the power being dirty from passing power AND data down the same thin line with the power source coming from the mainboard which isn't even class c electronics. That is why your noise floor is always through the roof on these devices. The unit is barely able to pass a signal by stepping up the voltage. Outboard does it more justice, but then there is the added issue of latency which will never be conquered because of constant software syncing in the OS as a part of the plug n play specification. It's not even worth working with. :P

I for one have gone on to Live as a DAW and a PCI interface. Live 8 is up there with the big boys now, with cutting and splicing of audio being its strong point with the new fade features.
Ableton - Workflow enhancements

Also the ability to work with Max/MSP as plugins is another reason I switched over from 'tools. The MIDI has always been great, feeling much like logic. Track freeze is wonderful, and it's been pretty stable even multi platform. I've been able to run 30+ track sessions on a quad core with relative ease, and it just keeps truckin.
Yeah but Ableton is more for midi junkies. I went to Logic because protools le was crippled but a big reason why was not the greatest midi work flow for production. Logic is pretty much my studio rig and Ableton serves as my live rig and some times I import into it for automation with the built in fx. I don't think anyone recording a rock band will go for ableton...It's not bad just more of a midi,programing,loops, beats sorta daw and it's designed that way visualy. I think Logic Pro offers a nice middle ground for this and that's why I love it. Protools is just great for what most people do when it comes to recording bands and great real time editing with .wav and I don't see that changing any time soon. A lot of people like to make everything in Logic or ableton then import to protools for all the vocals,guitars,live drums, synths ect. Logic is still the king of midi IMO and Ableton is great in the production arena next to Logic Pro while Protools seems to be the heavy weight of Audio and Editing.
Old 15th September 2010
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Hi, I am a small home studio engineer. I am currently running my digi 003 on LE with XP. I had a mac but at the time I couldn't afford all of the plugins and things like that, and I needed to get a move on with some projects. One thing that I do like about this post is that something needs to happen. I do think that you should have to purchase something of atleast 2 grand to be able to get LE. I know soooo many ppl that have LE now and they are really damaging sound because they dont really know what it is. People get it bcuz they are on a bandwagon just for the name. I cant hate on Digi for trying to make money but it really is a joke to have it for so cheap. Music is for the dedicated, not for the socialists.

On another note, my stuff is sounding pretty good on the pc because of what I am running. ( Neumann u-87 to a Avalon 737, and into my Digi 003 coming through a pair of Genelec 8040's.) But can someone please tell me what I am really missing in the mac world. I only want to improve my sound and how much does it really change coming thru a G5 or higher system because I am really thinking about going back to Mac.

Any suggestions???
A right mouse button?

An apple key?

Paying a lot more for the same hardware?

That's about all you're missing.
Old 15th September 2010
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Snooze button - where are the software improvements?????

Most home users already invested heavily into their chains (mic pres; converters; etc). Why would they upgrade their interface? --> unless they've been using everything mbox or 00x; then sure, I'm "assuming" the newer stuff will have better pres/conversion for them...

The main q here, for me at least, is software - I REALLY hope they do not force you to use a new Avid interface to utilize whatever changes they have coming down the pipe for the software side (if any - besides heat for HD)

Until they drop an LE update for ADC and unlimited track counts, I'm sticking with StudioOne (finally found a DAW that I like as much/more than PT)...if they do some kind of BS where you have to spend crazy cash for a new interface just to use the new software (which another hope - that it actually has ADC and unlim. counts)...i'm out...at that point, the home market should take a **** on them (one would hope)...forget the name already...

for clarity - I'm NOT saying they need to support Digi 002/003 forever. I'm saying that, they should NOT abandon those UNTIL ADC/umlim. counts/other bare mins are put in...then after that I feel it's fair. if I want the latest/greatest, I will have to pay for it. What I'm saying is the seesaw needs the fat kid at Avid to get up, and give their userbase the essentials that every other competing DAW has for "non-HD" users...then force upgrades...
Old 15th September 2010
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A right mouse button?

An apple key?

Paying a lot more for the same hardware?

That's about all you're missing.
Are you speaking from ignorance or experience.
Old 15th September 2010
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No bypass, as far as I can see, on the four "killer" mic pres.
...wouldn't that be what the four Inserts are for...??

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can someone please tell me what I am really missing in the mac world. I only want to improve my sound and how much does it really change coming thru a G5 or higher system because I am really thinking about going back to Mac.
to me, a Mac will provide a more stable working environment and work flow experience (preference, of course), but it won't improve your sound any more than a Honda would improve getting from point A to point B over a Chevy.
Old 15th September 2010
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A right mouse button?

An apple key?

Paying a lot more for the same hardware?

That's about all you're missing.
Don't start this argument again.

We're not even talking computer hardware...

We're not even in the Music Computers forum!
Old 15th September 2010
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Hi, I am a small home studio engineer. I am currently running my digi 003 on LE with XP. I had a mac but at the time I couldn't afford all of the plugins and things like that, and I needed to get a move on with some projects. One thing that I do like about this post is that something needs to happen. I do think that you should have to purchase something of atleast 2 grand to be able to get LE. I know soooo many ppl that have LE now and they are really damaging sound because they dont really know what it is. People get it bcuz they are on a bandwagon just for the name. I cant hate on Digi for trying to make money but it really is a joke to have it for so cheap. Music is for the dedicated, not for the socialists.

On another note, my stuff is sounding pretty good on the pc because of what I am running. ( Neumann u-87 to a Avalon 737, and into my Digi 003 coming through a pair of Genelec 8040's.) But can someone please tell me what I am really missing in the mac world. I only want to improve my sound and how much does it really change coming thru a G5 or higher system because I am really thinking about going back to Mac.

Any suggestions???
So you think that to many ametuers have protools and you are asking if a Mac will improve your sound? Plus you have a U-87 and a Avalon? You sounds like a clueless over privleged rich kid man just from the tone and content alone of this post. ugh I've lost all hope.

I hope this is a troll
Old 15th September 2010
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Don't start this argument again.

We're not even talking computer hardware...

We're not even in the Music Computers forum!
I'm sorry, I couldn't help it! It was just BEGGING for it!
Old 15th September 2010
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So you think that to many ametuers have protools and you are asking if a Mac will improve your sound? Plus you have a U-87 and a Avalon? You sounds like a clueless over privleged rich kid man just from the tone and content alone of this post. ugh I've lost all hope.

I hope this is a troll
+1.
Old 15th September 2010
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Has anyone ever been able to multitrack with this thing? as in, play along with another of the tracks, without it sounding like **** without any sort of latency? Something the digi001 could even do?
Not really, no....
Old 15th September 2010
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So you think that to many ametuers have protools and you are asking if a Mac will improve your sound? Plus you have a U-87 and a Avalon? You sounds like a clueless over privleged rich kid man just from the tone and content alone of this post. ugh I've lost all hope.

I hope this is a troll
I don't think that is the case............the u87--->737--->002/3 is a very popular chain in the R&B/Hip-Hop community. Why would he know that being on pc vs mac has nothing to do with the sound?

u87 2k
737 1.5k
003 1k

I burn 5K so easy now-a-days and is no where rich!

Calm down guys Yeesh!
Old 15th September 2010
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so check this out:

"A premium analog signal path and high-performance 24-bit, 192kHz* converters deliver pristine sound."

" And of course, Mbox Pro is designed for ultra-tight integration with the included Pro Tools LE® software"

"* Up to 96 kHz sample rates supported with Pro Tools LE software."

192khz converters that only can do 96hz. They could just make 96hz converters, say they're 192, and you'd never know the difference!

Gotta love marketing.
I don't think this is nutty at all. It is probably better for them to use converters capable of 192 to do 96, just like most 16 bit converters today are 24 bit and have been for a while.

Why is everyone so cynical?

Heck, if you are waiting on the next Avid release to suddenly heal your recordings and raise your business from the dead, you probably suck and should quit, or use something else that will make you a Lange and Shipley.
Old 15th September 2010
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...wouldn't that be what the four Inserts are for...??
Inserts? What inserts? I read it all and they don't mention inserts! BUT you can see them in the pictures of the back... Are they +4 or -10? And the mic ins are labeled 1 - 4, and so are the line ins, 1 - 4. So is that really 8 inputs? For my needs I'd want 8 line ins most of the time... unless the mic pres really are "killer" as they say! I will never forget the "Fosucrite" pres on the original Mbox, so bad the focusrite name was embarrasing.

Looking forward to some really competent testing and user reports. I'm getting tired of all the speculation.

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